[gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro
Gerald Levy
bwaylimited at verizon.net
Wed Oct 31 17:06:56 UTC 2012
Maybe that's where the cheese is. LOL!
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
eliminating their claims against GW Micro
> rofl!
> I wunder how that mouse got into that computer?
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:46 AM
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>
>> How many times over those past 10 years did you clear the dust out of
>> the computer with compressed air? That may be why it was running as
>> slowly as it was before you disposed of it. That or the malware it
>> picked up. One of the dell computers I opened a few weeks ago smelled
>> funny. Turns out when I flipped it to drop any loose parts onto the
>> workbench a dead mouse fell out. So tell me about extreme please!
>>
>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Loy wrote:
>>
>>> That is a little extreme. I had a dell computer for 10 years that I used
>>> 8
>>> hours a day every day and it is still running today, I gave it away to
>>> get a
>>> faster one.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
>>> <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>>> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>>> eliminating
>>> their claims against GW Micro
>>>
>>>
>>> > Usually pc's are trash and because they're cheap that's the only
>>> > reason
>>> > business users adopted them. The corporates more money to pay their
>>> > executives. As a case in point. I have been taking apart PC's for
>>> > smartco since 2006 regularly each week on most weeks except for
>>> > holidays. I can take apart a dell and by take apart I mean no metal
>>> > is
>>> > left in contact with plastic in a little under a half hour. In order
>>> > for me to take apart a Mac G4 computer it takes me 2 hours if I'm
>>> > lucky.
>>> > The experience at smartco is when someone in a family no longer has
>>> > use
>>> > for a mac, they pass it along to their heirs in their will. Pc's on
>>> > the
>>> > other hand don't last long enough to be passed along to heirs though.
>>> > Having been under the hood on one or two computers since 2006 I lost
>>> > track
>>> > of the count long ago I could write some other things too about rich
>>> > people and why won't their computers work after spending all that
>>> > money
>>> > but though they'd be true, they'd also be highly disrespectful of the
>>> > rich
>>> > so I'll refrain.On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better
>>> > > application
>>> > > support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's
>>> > > easy,
>>> > > docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
>>> > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things
>>> > > > better
>>> > > > than a Windows computer. For instance, there is no Mac text to
>>> > > > speech
>>> > > > app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.
>>> > > > And if
>>> > > > Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been
>>> > > > embraced
>>> > > > by business users and government agencies? You still get what you
>>> > > > pay
>>> > > > for. While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost
>>> > > > commercial
>>> > > > screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless lack the
>>> > > > panaply of features and compatibility with third-party programs
>>> > > > that the
>>> > > > more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Gerald
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo"
>>> > > > <n0oxy at charter.net>
>>> > > > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
>>> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>>> > > > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>>> > > > eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some
>>> > > > > may
>>> > > > > disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of
>>> > > > > the
>>> > > > > expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system
>>> > > > > access
>>> > > > > for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and
>>> > > > > continues to
>>> > > > > get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which
>>> > > > > does
>>> > > > > things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases
>>> > > > > better.
>>> > > > > Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in
>>> > > > > Windows 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen
>>> > > > > readers are
>>> > > > > simply disappearing.
>>> > > > > I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place
>>> > > > > on
>>> > > > > mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these
>>> > > > > provide
>>> > > > > accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or
>>> > > > > laptop
>>> > > > > computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next
>>> > > > > few
>>> > > > > years we will start to see that trend take place.
>>> > > > > Original message:
>>> > > > > > I could not agree more Mike! Spot on. IN fact, it was things
>>> > > > > > such
>>> > > > > > as this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to
>>> > > > > > switch to
>>> > > > > > my Mac back in November of 2009. Justice has truly been
>>> > > > > > served.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Sincerely,
>>> > > > > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > Skype name:
>>> > > > > > barefootedray
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net>
>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science
>>> > > > > > > fiction
>>> > > > > > > got what was coming to them, that law suit never should have
>>> > > > > > > been
>>> > > > > > > filed in the first place. First they sued Serotek and then
>>> > > > > > > GW-micro. This is one reason among others why I will never
>>> > > > > > > purchase or recommend Freedom Scientific products,
>>> > > > > > > especially when
>>> > > > > > > their are much better products available. A part of me
>>> > > > > > > thinks that
>>> > > > > > > GW-Micro should counter sue to recover the costs associated
>>> > > > > > > with
>>> > > > > > > this, but I guess in a way that would make them no better.
>>> > > > > > > At
>>> > > > > > > least Justice was served. The bible has something very good
>>> > > > > > > to say
>>> > > > > > > about things like this. I'm paraphrasing here, but,
>>> > > > > > > basically it
>>> > > > > > > says that those who try to ensnare and trap others by
>>> > > > > > > digging a
>>> > > > > > > hole will fall in to it themselves. I'd say that's what
>>> > > > > > > happened
>>> > > > > > > here.
>>> > > > > > > Original message:
>>> > > > > > > > The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's
>>> > > > > > > > public
>>> > > > > > > > lists yesterday. Reference is made to a large MP3 file
>>> > > > > > > > that can
>>> > > > > > > > be
>>> > > > > > > > downloaded to hear the arguments. Some had trouble
>>> > > > > > > > finding the
>>> > > > > > > > file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided
>>> > > > > > > > to
>>> > > > > > > > get
>>> > > > > > > > more closely to the MP3 file:
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.mp3
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED
>>> > > > > > > > MESSAGE==================
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
>>> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
>>> > > > > > > > To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
>>> > > > > > > > Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent
>>> > > > > > > > Office
>>> > > > > > > > Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>>> > > > > > > > eliminating
>>> > > > > > > > their claims against GW Micro
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after
>>> > > > > > > > the
>>> > > > > > > > Sight Village conference, someone entered our office and
>>> > > > > > > > handed
>>> > > > > > > > me a
>>> > > > > > > > summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by
>>> > > > > > > > Freedom
>>> > > > > > > > Scientific against GW Micro. They received a patent for
>>> > > > > > > > certain
>>> > > > > > > > screen reader features and our response was that
>>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes had
>>> > > > > > > > those same basic features several years prior to their
>>> > > > > > > > patent.
>>> > > > > > > > This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money,
>>> > > > > > > > which
>>> > > > > > > > finally came to a close last week. GW Micro is
>>> > > > > > > > vindicated -
>>> > > > > > > > it's
>>> > > > > > > > over - the court decided in our favor!
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent
>>> > > > > > > > Office reexamined their patent at our request and found it
>>> > > > > > > > to be
>>> > > > > > > > invalid in view of prior art. Both the patent examiner
>>> > > > > > > > and the
>>> > > > > > > > Board of Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same
>>> > > > > > > > conclusion
>>> > > > > > > > - the patent is invalid. Despite those results, they
>>> > > > > > > > asked for
>>> > > > > > > > a federal court to review the decision and again they came
>>> > > > > > > > to
>>> > > > > > > > the
>>> > > > > > > > same conclusion as everyone else. You may listen to this
>>> > > > > > > > final
>>> > > > > > > > argument by going to
>>> > > > > > > > http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
>>> > > > > > > > recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145,
>>> > > > > > > > listen
>>> > > > > > > > to the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same
>>> > > > > > > > conclusion
>>> > > > > > > > as everyone else. Their original patent should not have
>>> > > > > > > > been
>>> > > > > > > > granted in the first place and without the patent, there
>>> > > > > > > > are no
>>> > > > > > > > grounds for their lawsuit against GW Micro. If you decide
>>> > > > > > > > to
>>> > > > > > > > listen to that file, you should be aware that it is a
>>> > > > > > > > large
>>> > > > > > > > file,
>>> > > > > > > > which will take some time to download.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > We want to thank you all for the many words of
>>> > > > > > > > encouragement,
>>> > > > > > > > support and prayers that we've received over these past 4
>>> > > > > > > > years.
>>> > > > > > > > Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything
>>> > > > > > > > other
>>> > > > > > > > than fight and defend ourselves. However, the sad fact is
>>> > > > > > > > that
>>> > > > > > > > actions like this hurt all of us. This caused a waste of
>>> > > > > > > > dollars and time for both our companies, which could have
>>> > > > > > > > been
>>> > > > > > > > spent
>>> > > > > > > > improving existing products and developing new ones.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new
>>> > > > > > > > products,
>>> > > > > > > > features and innovations and our recent release of our
>>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes 8
>>> > > > > > > > public beta illustrates that perfectly. If you haven't
>>> > > > > > > > done so
>>> > > > > > > > already, I hope you will give it a try. Simply doing that
>>> > > > > > > > will
>>> > > > > > > > show your support of GW Micro. We promise to continue to
>>> > > > > > > > work
>>> > > > > > > > hard and conduct business in an honest and proper fashion.
>>> > > > > > > > The
>>> > > > > > > > reputation of GW Micro will never be litigation instead of
>>> > > > > > > > innovation.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > ===================END FORWARDED
>>> > > > > > > > MESSAGE===================
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > >
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