[gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro

enes enes.saribas at gmail.com
Wed Oct 31 16:42:53 UTC 2012 

rofl!
I wunder how that mouse got into that computer?

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From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:46 AM
To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List" 
<gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US 
PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and 
eliminating their claims against GW Micro

> How many times over those past 10 years did you clear the dust out of
> the computer with compressed air?  That may be why it was running as
> slowly as it was before you disposed of it.  That or the malware it
> picked up.  One of the dell computers I opened a few weeks ago smelled
> funny.  Turns out when I flipped it to drop any loose parts onto the
> workbench a dead mouse fell out.  So tell me about extreme please!
>
> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Loy wrote:
>
>> That is a little extreme. I had a dell computer for 10 years that I used 
>> 8
>> hours a day every day and it is still running today, I gave it away to 
>> get a
>> faster one.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" 
>> <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and 
>> eliminating
>> their claims against GW Micro
>>
>>
>> > Usually pc's are trash and because they're cheap that's the only reason
>> > business users adopted them.  The corporates more money to pay their
>> > executives.  As a case in point.  I have been taking apart PC's for
>> > smartco since 2006 regularly each week on most weeks except for
>> > holidays.  I can take apart a dell and by take apart I mean no metal is
>> > left in contact with plastic in a little under a half hour.  In order
>> > for me to take apart a Mac G4 computer it takes me 2 hours if I'm 
>> > lucky.
>> > The experience at smartco is when someone in a family no longer has use
>> > for a mac, they pass it along to their heirs in their will.  Pc's on 
>> > the
>> > other hand don't last long enough to be passed along to heirs though.
>> > Having been under the hood on one or two computers since 2006 I lost 
>> > track
>> > of the count long ago I could write some other things too about rich
>> > people and why won't their computers work after spending all that money
>> > but though they'd be true, they'd also be highly disrespectful of the 
>> > rich
>> > so I'll refrain.On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> >
>> > > As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better 
>> > > application
>> > > support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's 
>> > > easy,
>> > > docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
>> > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things 
>> > > > better
>> > > > than a Windows computer.  For instance, there is no Mac text to 
>> > > > speech
>> > > > app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.  And 
>> > > > if
>> > > > Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been 
>> > > > embraced
>> > > > by business users and government agencies?  You still get what you 
>> > > > pay
>> > > > for.  While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost 
>> > > > commercial
>> > > > screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless lack the
>> > > > panaply of features and compatibility with third-party programs 
>> > > > that the
>> > > > more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
>> > > >
>> > > > Gerald
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" 
>> > > > <n0oxy at charter.net>
>> > > > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
>> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>> > > > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>> > > > eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > > Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some 
>> > > > > may
>> > > > > disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of 
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system 
>> > > > > access
>> > > > > for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and 
>> > > > > continues to
>> > > > > get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which 
>> > > > > does
>> > > > > things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases 
>> > > > > better.
>> > > > > Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in
>> > > > > Windows 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen 
>> > > > > readers are
>> > > > > simply disappearing.
>> > > > > I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place 
>> > > > > on
>> > > > > mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these 
>> > > > > provide
>> > > > > accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or 
>> > > > > laptop
>> > > > > computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next few
>> > > > > years we will start to see that trend take place.
>> > > > > Original message:
>> > > > > > I could not agree more Mike!  Spot on.  IN fact, it was things 
>> > > > > > such
>> > > > > > as this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to switch 
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > my Mac back in November of 2009.  Justice has truly been 
>> > > > > > served.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Sincerely,
>> > > > > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Skype name:
>> > > > > > barefootedray
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net> 
>> > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science 
>> > > > > > > fiction
>> > > > > > > got what was coming to them, that law suit never should have 
>> > > > > > > been
>> > > > > > > filed in the first place. First they sued Serotek and then
>> > > > > > > GW-micro. This is one reason among others why I will never
>> > > > > > > purchase or recommend Freedom Scientific products, especially 
>> > > > > > > when
>> > > > > > > their are much better products available. A part of me thinks 
>> > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > GW-Micro should counter sue to recover the costs associated 
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > this, but I guess in a way that would make them no better. At
>> > > > > > > least Justice was served. The bible has something very good 
>> > > > > > > to say
>> > > > > > > about things like this. I'm paraphrasing here, but, basically 
>> > > > > > > it
>> > > > > > > says that those who try to ensnare and trap others by digging 
>> > > > > > > a
>> > > > > > > hole will fall in to it themselves. I'd say that's what 
>> > > > > > > happened
>> > > > > > > here.
>> > > > > > > Original message:
>> > > > > > > > The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's 
>> > > > > > > > public
>> > > > > > > > lists yesterday.  Reference is made to a large MP3 file 
>> > > > > > > > that can
>> > > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > > downloaded to hear the arguments.  Some had trouble finding 
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided 
>> > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > get
>> > > > > > > > more closely to the MP3 file:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.mp3
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
>> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
>> > > > > > > > To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
>> > > > > > > > Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent 
>> > > > > > > > Office
>> > > > > > > > Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>> > > > > > > > eliminating
>> > > > > > > > their claims against GW Micro
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after 
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > Sight Village conference, someone entered our office and 
>> > > > > > > > handed
>> > > > > > > > me a
>> > > > > > > > summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by Freedom
>> > > > > > > > Scientific against GW Micro.  They received a patent for 
>> > > > > > > > certain
>> > > > > > > > screen reader features and our response was that 
>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes had
>> > > > > > > > those same basic features several years prior to their 
>> > > > > > > > patent.
>> > > > > > > > This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money, 
>> > > > > > > > which
>> > > > > > > > finally came to a close last week.  GW Micro is 
>> > > > > > > > vindicated -
>> > > > > > > > it's
>> > > > > > > > over - the court decided in our favor!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent
>> > > > > > > > Office reexamined their patent at our request and found it 
>> > > > > > > > to be
>> > > > > > > > invalid in view of prior art.  Both the patent examiner and 
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > Board of Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same
>> > > > > > > > conclusion
>> > > > > > > > - the patent is invalid.  Despite those results, they asked 
>> > > > > > > > for
>> > > > > > > > a federal court to review the decision and again they came 
>> > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > same conclusion as everyone else.  You may listen to this 
>> > > > > > > > final
>> > > > > > > > argument by going to 
>> > > > > > > > http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
>> > > > > > > > recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145, 
>> > > > > > > > listen
>> > > > > > > > to the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same 
>> > > > > > > > conclusion
>> > > > > > > > as everyone else.  Their original patent should not have 
>> > > > > > > > been
>> > > > > > > > granted in the first place and without the patent, there 
>> > > > > > > > are no
>> > > > > > > > grounds for their lawsuit against GW Micro.  If you decide 
>> > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > listen to that file, you should be aware that it is a large
>> > > > > > > > file,
>> > > > > > > > which will take some time to download.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > We want to thank you all for the many words of 
>> > > > > > > > encouragement,
>> > > > > > > > support and prayers that we've received over these past 4 
>> > > > > > > > years.
>> > > > > > > > Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything 
>> > > > > > > > other
>> > > > > > > > than fight and defend ourselves.  However, the sad fact is 
>> > > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > actions like this hurt all of us.  This caused a waste of
>> > > > > > > > dollars and time for both our companies, which could have 
>> > > > > > > > been
>> > > > > > > > spent
>> > > > > > > > improving existing products and developing new ones.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new products,
>> > > > > > > > features and innovations and our recent release of our
>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes 8
>> > > > > > > > public beta illustrates that perfectly.  If you haven't 
>> > > > > > > > done so
>> > > > > > > > already, I hope you will give it a try.  Simply doing that 
>> > > > > > > > will
>> > > > > > > > show your support of GW Micro.  We promise to continue to 
>> > > > > > > > work
>> > > > > > > > hard and conduct business in an honest and proper fashion. 
>> > > > > > > > The
>> > > > > > > > reputation of GW Micro will never be litigation instead of
>> > > > > > > > innovation.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
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