[gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro
Steve Jacobson
steve.jacobson at visi.com
Wed Oct 31 18:27:53 UTC 2012
I'm sure the mouse was after all the bugs.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:06:56 -0400, Gerald Levy wrote:
>Maybe that's where the cheese is. LOL!
>Gerald
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "enes" <enes.saribas at gmail.com>
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>Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:42 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>> rofl!
>> I wunder how that mouse got into that computer?
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:46 AM
>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>> eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>>
>>> How many times over those past 10 years did you clear the dust out of
>>> the computer with compressed air? That may be why it was running as
>>> slowly as it was before you disposed of it. That or the malware it
>>> picked up. One of the dell computers I opened a few weeks ago smelled
>>> funny. Turns out when I flipped it to drop any loose parts onto the
>>> workbench a dead mouse fell out. So tell me about extreme please!
>>>
>>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Loy wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is a little extreme. I had a dell computer for 10 years that I used
>>>> 8
>>>> hours a day every day and it is still running today, I gave it away to
>>>> get a
>>>> faster one.
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
>>>> <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
>>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>>>> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>>>> eliminating
>>>> their claims against GW Micro
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Usually pc's are trash and because they're cheap that's the only
>>>> > reason
>>>> > business users adopted them. The corporates more money to pay their
>>>> > executives. As a case in point. I have been taking apart PC's for
>>>> > smartco since 2006 regularly each week on most weeks except for
>>>> > holidays. I can take apart a dell and by take apart I mean no metal
>>>> > is
>>>> > left in contact with plastic in a little under a half hour. In order
>>>> > for me to take apart a Mac G4 computer it takes me 2 hours if I'm
>>>> > lucky.
>>>> > The experience at smartco is when someone in a family no longer has
>>>> > use
>>>> > for a mac, they pass it along to their heirs in their will. Pc's on
>>>> > the
>>>> > other hand don't last long enough to be passed along to heirs though.
>>>> > Having been under the hood on one or two computers since 2006 I lost
>>>> > track
>>>> > of the count long ago I could write some other things too about rich
>>>> > people and why won't their computers work after spending all that
>>>> > money
>>>> > but though they'd be true, they'd also be highly disrespectful of the
>>>> > rich
>>>> > so I'll refrain.On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > > As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better
>>>> > > application
>>>> > > support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's
>>>> > > easy,
>>>> > > docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
>>>> > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things
>>>> > > > better
>>>> > > > than a Windows computer. For instance, there is no Mac text to
>>>> > > > speech
>>>> > > > app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.
>>>> > > > And if
>>>> > > > Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been
>>>> > > > embraced
>>>> > > > by business users and government agencies? You still get what you
>>>> > > > pay
>>>> > > > for. While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost
>>>> > > > commercial
>>>> > > > screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless lack the
>>>> > > > panaply of features and compatibility with third-party programs
>>>> > > > that the
>>>> > > > more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Gerald
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo"
>>>> > > > <n0oxy at charter.net>
>>>> > > > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
>>>> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
>>>> > > > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>>>> > > > eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > > Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some
>>>> > > > > may
>>>> > > > > disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of
>>>> > > > > the
>>>> > > > > expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system
>>>> > > > > access
>>>> > > > > for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and
>>>> > > > > continues to
>>>> > > > > get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which
>>>> > > > > does
>>>> > > > > things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases
>>>> > > > > better.
>>>> > > > > Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in
>>>> > > > > Windows 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen
>>>> > > > > readers are
>>>> > > > > simply disappearing.
>>>> > > > > I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place
>>>> > > > > on
>>>> > > > > mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these
>>>> > > > > provide
>>>> > > > > accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or
>>>> > > > > laptop
>>>> > > > > computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next
>>>> > > > > few
>>>> > > > > years we will start to see that trend take place.
>>>> > > > > Original message:
>>>> > > > > > I could not agree more Mike! Spot on. IN fact, it was things
>>>> > > > > > such
>>>> > > > > > as this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to
>>>> > > > > > switch to
>>>> > > > > > my Mac back in November of 2009. Justice has truly been
>>>> > > > > > served.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Sincerely,
>>>> > > > > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Skype name:
>>>> > > > > > barefootedray
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net>
>>>> > > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science
>>>> > > > > > > fiction
>>>> > > > > > > got what was coming to them, that law suit never should have
>>>> > > > > > > been
>>>> > > > > > > filed in the first place. First they sued Serotek and then
>>>> > > > > > > GW-micro. This is one reason among others why I will never
>>>> > > > > > > purchase or recommend Freedom Scientific products,
>>>> > > > > > > especially when
>>>> > > > > > > their are much better products available. A part of me
>>>> > > > > > > thinks that
>>>> > > > > > > GW-Micro should counter sue to recover the costs associated
>>>> > > > > > > with
>>>> > > > > > > this, but I guess in a way that would make them no better.
>>>> > > > > > > At
>>>> > > > > > > least Justice was served. The bible has something very good
>>>> > > > > > > to say
>>>> > > > > > > about things like this. I'm paraphrasing here, but,
>>>> > > > > > > basically it
>>>> > > > > > > says that those who try to ensnare and trap others by
>>>> > > > > > > digging a
>>>> > > > > > > hole will fall in to it themselves. I'd say that's what
>>>> > > > > > > happened
>>>> > > > > > > here.
>>>> > > > > > > Original message:
>>>> > > > > > > > The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's
>>>> > > > > > > > public
>>>> > > > > > > > lists yesterday. Reference is made to a large MP3 file
>>>> > > > > > > > that can
>>>> > > > > > > > be
>>>> > > > > > > > downloaded to hear the arguments. Some had trouble
>>>> > > > > > > > finding the
>>>> > > > > > > > file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided
>>>> > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > > get
>>>> > > > > > > > more closely to the MP3 file:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.mp3
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED
>>>> > > > > > > > MESSAGE==================
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
>>>> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
>>>> > > > > > > > To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
>>>> > > > > > > > Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent
>>>> > > > > > > > Office
>>>> > > > > > > > Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
>>>> > > > > > > > eliminating
>>>> > > > > > > > their claims against GW Micro
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > > Sight Village conference, someone entered our office and
>>>> > > > > > > > handed
>>>> > > > > > > > me a
>>>> > > > > > > > summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by
>>>> > > > > > > > Freedom
>>>> > > > > > > > Scientific against GW Micro. They received a patent for
>>>> > > > > > > > certain
>>>> > > > > > > > screen reader features and our response was that
>>>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes had
>>>> > > > > > > > those same basic features several years prior to their
>>>> > > > > > > > patent.
>>>> > > > > > > > This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money,
>>>> > > > > > > > which
>>>> > > > > > > > finally came to a close last week. GW Micro is
>>>> > > > > > > > vindicated -
>>>> > > > > > > > it's
>>>> > > > > > > > over - the court decided in our favor!
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent
>>>> > > > > > > > Office reexamined their patent at our request and found it
>>>> > > > > > > > to be
>>>> > > > > > > > invalid in view of prior art. Both the patent examiner
>>>> > > > > > > > and the
>>>> > > > > > > > Board of Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same
>>>> > > > > > > > conclusion
>>>> > > > > > > > - the patent is invalid. Despite those results, they
>>>> > > > > > > > asked for
>>>> > > > > > > > a federal court to review the decision and again they came
>>>> > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > > the
>>>> > > > > > > > same conclusion as everyone else. You may listen to this
>>>> > > > > > > > final
>>>> > > > > > > > argument by going to
>>>> > > > > > > > http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
>>>> > > > > > > > recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145,
>>>> > > > > > > > listen
>>>> > > > > > > > to the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same
>>>> > > > > > > > conclusion
>>>> > > > > > > > as everyone else. Their original patent should not have
>>>> > > > > > > > been
>>>> > > > > > > > granted in the first place and without the patent, there
>>>> > > > > > > > are no
>>>> > > > > > > > grounds for their lawsuit against GW Micro. If you decide
>>>> > > > > > > > to
>>>> > > > > > > > listen to that file, you should be aware that it is a
>>>> > > > > > > > large
>>>> > > > > > > > file,
>>>> > > > > > > > which will take some time to download.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > We want to thank you all for the many words of
>>>> > > > > > > > encouragement,
>>>> > > > > > > > support and prayers that we've received over these past 4
>>>> > > > > > > > years.
>>>> > > > > > > > Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything
>>>> > > > > > > > other
>>>> > > > > > > > than fight and defend ourselves. However, the sad fact is
>>>> > > > > > > > that
>>>> > > > > > > > actions like this hurt all of us. This caused a waste of
>>>> > > > > > > > dollars and time for both our companies, which could have
>>>> > > > > > > > been
>>>> > > > > > > > spent
>>>> > > > > > > > improving existing products and developing new ones.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new
>>>> > > > > > > > products,
>>>> > > > > > > > features and innovations and our recent release of our
>>>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes 8
>>>> > > > > > > > public beta illustrates that perfectly. If you haven't
>>>> > > > > > > > done so
>>>> > > > > > > > already, I hope you will give it a try. Simply doing that
>>>> > > > > > > > will
>>>> > > > > > > > show your support of GW Micro. We promise to continue to
>>>> > > > > > > > work
>>>> > > > > > > > hard and conduct business in an honest and proper fashion.
>>>> > > > > > > > The
>>>> > > > > > > > reputation of GW Micro will never be litigation instead of
>>>> > > > > > > > innovation.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > > > > ===================END FORWARDED
>>>> > > > > > > > MESSAGE===================
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
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