[gui-talk] is Webvisum no more?

[David Andrews]

Gerald:

It is easy to sit on the outside, years later, and make judgments about 
who should and shouldn't be sued.

There are many factors which are considered, before the NFB brings 
suit.  And part of that is the chance of winning.  We don't want to 
bring the wrong suits, and have negative precedents set.

So, glib conclusions about who should or shouldn't be sued are pointless 
and not constructive.

Dave



On 6/21/2012 6:54 AM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
> Excuse me, but the NFB didn't hesitate to sue Target over the 
> inaccessiblility of its web site, which has absolutely nothing to do 
> with jobs.  To me, suing Target is low on the totem pole because there 
> are plenty of shopping alternatives to Target.  Yet, the NFB chose to 
> fight this battle, anyway. So there is no reason that it should not 
> consider taking up the fight over image captchas.
>
> Gerald
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing 
> List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] is Webvisum no more?
>
>
>> Unless it directly affects jobs, it's going to be rather low on the 
>> totem pole.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Humberto Avila
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 9:04 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] is Webvisum no more?
>>
>> I'm not sure about you guys. But I think this could be some work that 
>> the NFB should put effort into. Yes, I believe in independence, and 
>> that every individual has a different concept of it. For me 
>> independence is being able to access every bit and byte of 
>> information that is available to me without placing a burden on 
>> someone else. This also goes for computer related and online 
>> information. And no, I'm not someone who just doesn't want to accept 
>> any kind of help from anyone nor am I am antisocial. I know that even 
>> sighted people among themselves ask for help that it is a human thing 
>> to do. But I think solving captchas on the web is something that can 
>> do independently as well as reconciling a bank statement, reading 
>> hardcopy mail, ETC. and I believe this issue about web application 
>> developers letting their tools for accessibility go is  to be brought 
>> to the NFB and so they can do something about it. I don't know about 
>> you but I'd contact the access technology department team at the 
>> Braille and technology center as well as the national leaders about 
>> this problem that we're having and the patterns that we're noticing.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Humberto
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:28 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] is webvisum no more?
>>
>> I have to agree with Mike here.  I actually find myself, because of 
>> some of the endeavors in which I am engaging, having to ask more 
>> frequently for assistance from friends, and, occasionally, readers, 
>> to solve Internet access challenges.  I understand that some people 
>> do not have sighted friends or relatives who are willing to solve a 
>> CAPTCHA for them, which really doesn't involve much of an expenditure 
>> of time on the part of the volunteer, and that is a sad situation 
>> indeed.
>>
>> Part of this discussion has also appeared to contain criticism of 
>> some of the people who have undertaken this kind of service as 
>> volunteers and have not been able to sustain the effort.  The creator 
>> of Solona had the best will in the world, but simply could not 
>> Continue, despite efforts to recruit enough volunteers.  I question 
>> the long-term viability of volunteer efforts in this area, but not 
>> because the volunteers are not well-intentioned.
>>
>> I don't have a course of action that will please those who strive for 
>> the American myth of total pure independence.
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:58 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] is webvisum no more?
>>
>> I've stayed silent until now. However, the wording of your question 
>> disturbs me. You ask if the blind have lost the freedom to solve 
>> CAPTCHAs. The blind haven't ever *lacked* the freedom to solve 
>> CAPTCHAs. They just didn't have electronic tools to do so until 
>> Salona and Webvism. WE, the blind, could always use a reader if we 
>> felt it sufficiently important, just as we could and still must do so 
>> often with snailmail. To me, readers are a perfectly respectable tool 
>> to solve CAPTCHAs, if someone inconvenient at times. With the 
>> exception of PayPal, I choose not to patronize sites that use 
>> CAPTCHAs. That solves my problem for me. (grin)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ken lawrence
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 6:18 PM
>> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [gui-talk] is webvisum no more?
>>
>> Hi list I have noticed that I’m getting a server connection error on 
>> webvisum when I log on to firefox.  At first I thought was down for 
>> some work, however just now read a message.  that says that webvisum 
>> isn’t even an ixisting domaine.  is it gone have blind lost the 
>> freedom of solving capchas or is this just temporary.  thanks
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