[gui-talk] Different plan of attack
Steve Jacobson
steve.jacobson at visi.com
Sat Jan 23 17:09:54 UTC 2010
In this case, FLASH also plays a role and therefore Adobe. While Adobe can't control how everybody imbeds a FLASH
player, they could play more of a role than they do in my opinion. Part of what I think Mike was saying, even though he
didn't put it this way, is that we also have to choose our battles. A lot of energy could be expended for minimal gain, and
we have to think about where we put our energy. Everybody has to decide that for themselves, though. ken, if this
particular problem motivates you to do something, go to it.
Also, screen reader developers generally have some communication lines with Adobe, so bringing this to their attention
is not a bad thing, but in some cases, it isn't a matter of getting screen readers to fix a problem, it is often elsewhere, and
Adobe blames the web site developers and they, if they are aware of the problem at all, will say Adobe makes it too
difficult to implement accessibility. It is hard to get our hands around a problem like this for that reason.
Best regards,
Steve Jacobson
On Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:15:53 -0800, hmp wrote:
>This is a good standpoint. This is an important and critical
>issue, and we need to do something regarding the subject matter.
>At this point, you need to contact a support member of Freedom
>Scientific, or a support member at NVDA-Project or whatever
>screen reader support member directly and discuss these issues.
>They need to know these things right away as then we won't have
>any internet sites accessible. Also, consider speaking to a
>member of that GSN site directly, and don't give up trying to
>explain the subject matter. I'm sure if we are in constant
>persuation about this topic to them, they will fix the problem.
>I've never been to that site or played any games there although
>this topic shall concern any blind computer user at all. This
>world is full of inaccessibility. However, we can fix it! If we
>find a solution, there's always going to be a better way of
>living. and please, please for crying out loud, just don't give
>up!!! If you need any information about contacting freedom
>Sientific, call 1-800-444-4443. Tell them you want to speak with
>Jonathan Mosan or some support specialist, but please no
>emailing as they're suppose to know this thing right away, and a
>phone call is better than an email; it is like talking to the
>person more live-like. Thanks
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>From: kenlawrence124 at aol.com
>>To: nvda at freelists.org
>>Date sent: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:11:08 EST
>>Subject: [gui-talk] Different plan of attack
>>Hi List members. Cross posting this question to get different
>feedback on
>>this topic. I've been sending messages of complaint to GSN
>formerly Game
>>Show network saying that I'm not able to play the games on the
>site and
>>therefore don't have the same chance to win the Oodles points
>sighted people
>>can win to cash in for prizes. I can only answer the daily
>questions and
>>therefore win 50/100 oodles at a time. It would take me a
>thousand days
>>straight just to win enough oodles to cash in for some prizes and
>that is if I
>>get all questions right. I can't even enter the chat during GSN
>live and
>>the only way I can play a game connected to the channel is to
>enter the GSN
>>live games every day. They say they can't program the site they
>say since
>>flash is the standard on game sites they are obviously sticking
>with it.
>>It's funny how they say in replies thanks for being a part of the
>GSN
>>community. I sure feel like a second class citizen. AOL did the
>right thing so
>>why can't the people at GSN? even when the National federation
>of the
>>blind and gw Micro or Freedom scientific are brought to their
>attention nothing
>>changes. I will not accept the fact that I will never ever be
>able to win
>>all that money on bingo blitz, Yeah I can't even enter those
>drawings. So
>>rather than keep harping to deaf ears, the thought I had in mind
>is what
>>can we do to help make GSN accessible from the screen readers
>point of view?
>> Rather than making the site accessible, what can we do to make
>the screen
>>reader accessible to the site. One of the advantages of using
>flash is
>>that it is smaller in terms of drive space. A version of the
>Adobe flash
>>player is less than two MB, Whereas the windows media player or
>the real
>>player are close to or even over 20 MB. Flash does provide
>better quality audio
>>and video in a smaller player. So I'd like the opinion of Jaws,
>>Window-eyes, and NVDA users how we can make the screen readers
>work on the GSN site
>>and play the games there. We can lick the recent CD baby issue
>as well as
>>the Pandora issue too. of course part of my problem is dial up
>connection,
>>and I'm working on going broadband so that will be taken care of
>soon. So
>>the question is, if GSN, CD baby,or Pandora won't make the sites
>work with
>>a screen reader, what can we do to make it work the other way
>around? how
>>can we develop screen reading software to work with their sites?
>This is
>>going to take people with site to do it, but I think especially
>with an
>>Open source Screen reader like NVDA we can do it. If they won't
>make sites
>>accessible, let's try it the other way around. Many of my
>friends and the
>>members of the computer talk club of NJ are worried that the
>developers of
>>assistive technology won't be able to keep up and in a couple
>years we'll no
>>longer have any access to anything on the Internet. More and
>more sites
>>are going this direction and I think it's up to us to change it.
>What can we
>>do about this issue? I would ask that some of you take a look
>at that
>>site _www.gsn.com_ (http://www.gsn.com/) and if you are already
>registered,
>>take a look at the wonder wheel and other games especially the
>versions of
>>games that aren't generally visual like Jeopardy. There is no
>reason why
>>that isn't accessible when the show clearly is. They had blind
>players on
>>it. Family Feud too and why is the version of Deal or no Deal
>not
>>accessible. Clearly the show is. Tell me how a blind player
>couldn't go on that
>>show Huh? Let's tackle this one together. Thanks Ken.
>>I pledge to participate actively in the efforts of the national
>federation
>>of the blind to achieve equality, opportunity, and security for
>the blind;
>>to support the policies and programs of the federation; and
>abide by it's
>>constitution.
>>I pledge to participate actively in the efforts of the national
>federation
>>of the blind to achieve equality, opportunity, and security for
>the blind;
>>to support the policies and programs of the federation; and
>abide by it's
>>constitution.
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