[gui-talk] Jaws won't say "control C" on foldernamesinWindowsExplorer

Tue Jan 5 17:43:54 UTC 2010

Dear Lloyd and Wayne,

Believe it or not, I know every single thing you guys are telling me. Unless 
I find out that I've been fooled because when I launch Windows Explorer on 
this new computer it lands me in the files list view instead of on my C 
drive above all its folder, and thus confuses me, none of this matters. I 
mean, it matters but I know it. I've been using Jaws for years and years. 
it's just about this computer and something quirky that's going on. If I can 
rectify the problem, I'll surely explain what happened.

thanks for all the help,

Joel

P.S. To whoever found odd what I said about that workaround to get a file 
selected or even focused on a couple of versions of Jaws ago, i.e., arrowing 
left and right on it until it spoke up (using the jawws Say Line command), 
all I can say is that it worked. jaws was having some sort of focus problem, 
that's all. quirky for sure. But what I said wasn't meant to suggest I don't 
know one oirdinarily doesn't arrow left and right in a file name. Please 
note i didn't say "folder." Just filename, where arrowing left or right is 
usually completely irrelevant and does nothing at all. I honestly think I 
explained most of this already, but I'm often told things I've already 
demonstrated knowledge or awareness of because to all but a few listers here 
and there, my posts may seem overlong, edious, and hard to figure out. But 
honesty, you guys, I'm paying attention to what's going on. Really.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Jaws won't say "control C" on 
foldernamesinWindowsExplorer

Lloid is correct on this. Each time I open Windows Explorer/My
Computer and land in the list view, the first item is always
unselected. Selected or unselected aside though, Joel, the tree view
is the part of the window you can arrow up and down in, and then use
right arrow to open a branch and left arrow to close a branch. The
list view only lets you arrow up/down in, and use the other various
list view commands. You can't use left/right arrow in a list view. I
suppose perhaps to select a file, but you could also press space to do
this as well, as has been noted here.

As for unloading and loading JAWS, this goes back to basic
troubleshootting steps that every screen reader user should know. Not
knocking you for not knowing, but now would be a good time to learn.
The steps are as follows: perform a JAWS screen refresh with Insert
Escape, unload and reload JAWS, and reboot the computer. Some people
throw in 2 additional steps of maximizing the window and
closing/reopening the application, but even these 3 steps first listed
would get the job done. When loading JAWS, you need to either have a
hotkey setup for JAWS and/or be able to access the JAWS item on the
desktop without speech.

Hope all this helps,
Wayne

On 1/5/10, Lloyd Rasmussen <lras at sprynet.com> wrote:
> If I use the tree view (the pane on the left) to select a folder, then tab
> into the right-hand pane where the files and subfolders can be examined or
> selected, nothing is selected when I land there.  To select anything, I 
> must
> use an arrow key, Home, End, PgDn, etc. to move away from that starting
> place, or press spacebar to do the selection in place.  The starting place
> in the right-hand pane is whatever you reach with the Home key, but this 
> is
> determined by the sort order you have applied to that folder.
>
> Anyway, I hope you get it figured out.
>
> We don't have an option to repair Window-Eyes.  All we an do is uninstall
> and reinstall it.  <grin>
>
> Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
> Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:54 AM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Jaws won't say "control C" on folder
>> namesinWindowsExplorer
>>
>> Lloyd,
>>
>> this is true in a lot of cases, but is completely irrelevant when you
>> simply
>> land on a filename with your arrow key and it speaks. It's selected, 
>> then.
>> The only reason to involve the space bar is when you want to select
>> contiguous or non-contiguous files along with that one, in that folder. I
>> hope I'm understanding you correctly. Because on my desktop, and on every
>> computer I've used with every bersion of Jaws and three versions of
>> Windows,
>> just landing on a filename or a folder name selects it. This has always
>> been
>> true for me. If pressing the space bar now, for some reason, has the
>> effect
>> of officially selecting whatever my cursor's on, that will be 
>> interesting.
>> But it's not gonna happen that way on my desktop, also running Win XP, I
>> assure you. Again, you only need to use the space bar to select when
>> you're
>> selecting more than just the filename your cursor's on. Honest. If 
>> playing
>> with the space bar turns out to fix my problem, I'll let you know. But I
>> doubt it will.
>
>
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