[gui-talk] Jaws won't say "control C" on foldernamesinWindowsExplorer

Tue Jan 5 18:20:55 UTC 2010

Hi,

If your running wwindows 7 or vista, your focus is taken to the list
view.

You can press Shift tab one time to get to the tree view.

On Tue, 5 Jan 2010 09:43:54 -0800
"Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com> wrote:

> Dear Lloyd and Wayne,
> 
> Believe it or not, I know every single thing you guys are telling me. Unless 
> I find out that I've been fooled because when I launch Windows Explorer on 
> this new computer it lands me in the files list view instead of on my C 
> drive above all its folder, and thus confuses me, none of this matters. I 
> mean, it matters but I know it. I've been using Jaws for years and years. 
> it's just about this computer and something quirky that's going on. If I can 
> rectify the problem, I'll surely explain what happened.
> 
> thanks for all the help,
> 
> Joel
> 
> P.S. To whoever found odd what I said about that workaround to get a file 
> selected or even focused on a couple of versions of Jaws ago, i.e., arrowing 
> left and right on it until it spoke up (using the jawws Say Line command), 
> all I can say is that it worked. jaws was having some sort of focus problem, 
> that's all. quirky for sure. But what I said wasn't meant to suggest I don't 
> know one oirdinarily doesn't arrow left and right in a file name. Please 
> note i didn't say "folder." Just filename, where arrowing left or right is 
> usually completely irrelevant and does nothing at all. I honestly think I 
> explained most of this already, but I'm often told things I've already 
> demonstrated knowledge or awareness of because to all but a few listers here 
> and there, my posts may seem overlong, edious, and hard to figure out. But 
> honesty, you guys, I'm paying attention to what's going on. Really.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wayne Merritt" <wcmerritt at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Jaws won't say "control C" on 
> foldernamesinWindowsExplorer
> 
> 
> Lloid is correct on this. Each time I open Windows Explorer/My
> Computer and land in the list view, the first item is always
> unselected. Selected or unselected aside though, Joel, the tree view
> is the part of the window you can arrow up and down in, and then use
> right arrow to open a branch and left arrow to close a branch. The
> list view only lets you arrow up/down in, and use the other various
> list view commands. You can't use left/right arrow in a list view. I
> suppose perhaps to select a file, but you could also press space to do
> this as well, as has been noted here.
> 
> As for unloading and loading JAWS, this goes back to basic
> troubleshootting steps that every screen reader user should know. Not
> knocking you for not knowing, but now would be a good time to learn.
> The steps are as follows: perform a JAWS screen refresh with Insert
> Escape, unload and reload JAWS, and reboot the computer. Some people
> throw in 2 additional steps of maximizing the window and
> closing/reopening the application, but even these 3 steps first listed
> would get the job done. When loading JAWS, you need to either have a
> hotkey setup for JAWS and/or be able to access the JAWS item on the
> desktop without speech.
> 
> Hope all this helps,
> Wayne
> 
> On 1/5/10, Lloyd Rasmussen <lras at sprynet.com> wrote:
> > If I use the tree view (the pane on the left) to select a folder, then tab
> > into the right-hand pane where the files and subfolders can be examined or
> > selected, nothing is selected when I land there.  To select anything, I 
> > must
> > use an arrow key, Home, End, PgDn, etc. to move away from that starting
> > place, or press spacebar to do the selection in place.  The starting place
> > in the right-hand pane is whatever you reach with the Home key, but this 
> > is
> > determined by the sort order you have applied to that folder.
> >
> > Anyway, I hope you get it figured out.
> >
> > We don't have an option to repair Window-Eyes.  All we an do is uninstall
> > and reinstall it.  <grin>
> >
> > Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, Maryland
> > Home:  http://lras.home.sprynet.com
> > Work:  http://www.loc.gov/nls
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> >> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:54 AM
> >> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Jaws won't say "control C" on folder
> >> namesinWindowsExplorer
> >>
> >> Lloyd,
> >>
> >> this is true in a lot of cases, but is completely irrelevant when you
> >> simply
> >> land on a filename with your arrow key and it speaks. It's selected, 
> >> then.
> >> The only reason to involve the space bar is when you want to select
> >> contiguous or non-contiguous files along with that one, in that folder. I
> >> hope I'm understanding you correctly. Because on my desktop, and on every
> >> computer I've used with every bersion of Jaws and three versions of
> >> Windows,
> >> just landing on a filename or a folder name selects it. This has always
> >> been
> >> true for me. If pressing the space bar now, for some reason, has the
> >> effect
> >> of officially selecting whatever my cursor's on, that will be 
> >> interesting.
> >> But it's not gonna happen that way on my desktop, also running Win XP, I
> >> assure you. Again, you only need to use the space bar to select when
> >> you're
> >> selecting more than just the filename your cursor's on. Honest. If 
> >> playing
> >> with the space bar turns out to fix my problem, I'll let you know. But I
> >> doubt it will.
> >
> >
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