[gui-talk] Voiceover

[Kevin Fjelsted]

I find the groups mode and DOM choices  in VoiceOver to be far  
superior and more flexible than the JAWS table approach for reading  
tabular data.
For example if one is reading a Gmail web page although Google has  
formulated the mailbox as a table JAWs refuses to read some of the  
columns as a strict column approach when arrowing down in table  
reading mode. Groups mode and DOM  in VoiceOver permits the  
presentation to more closely resemble the actual visual web page so  
the columns come across naturally.
-Kevin
On Jul 26, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:

> Until one can read tabular data on the Mac on the web, the browser  
> wouldn't
> be worth much to me at all, and that would be a major reason why I  
> wouldn't
> get involved with Voice Over.  Tables are crucial for many things.
>
> Dean
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk- 
> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 6:33 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>
> Hi, I love surfing the web on the mac. The speed of loading pages
> blows any windows browser or screen reader away. For one thing,
> there's no waiting around while a page is loaded in to a buffer. One
> site that is good for testing your screen reader's speed is
> empowermentzone.com. On the mac, this page loads in under 2 seconds. I
> have done many different things while browsing on the mac such as
> buying things on ebay, paying bills, etc, works great. Yes, safari is
> the browser of choice at this time.
> On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:01 PM, albert griffith wrote:
>
>> Mike, you stated the Mac's browser had no tables mode.  That flaw not
>> withstanding how would you describe your surfing experiences
>> generally?
>> Thanks, Do those using Voiceover navigate the internet with Safari?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-
>> bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2009 7:28 PM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Voiceover
>>
>> Hi, it's definitely ready for prime time, and is used by many blind
>> users, I'm using it as I type this message. As far as advantages and
>> disadvantages, the main advantage is that it is built in to the
>> ooperating system, as a blind person, you pay no more than anyone  
>> else
>> for accessibility. There are of course differences with the mac
>> compared to windows, so there is a bit of a learning curve at first,
>> the only other possible disadvantage I could see for some people is
>> that on web pages, there is no table navigation mode. I don't see  
>> this
>> as a big thing, since I never use this even in windows. The macintosh
>> has become my primary computer, and I use it far more than windows. I
>> would put the functionality of voice over against the windows screen
>> readers any day, you can do just as much I think.
>> On Jul 25, 2009, at 10:26 AM, tunecollector wrote:
>>
>>> This subject was discussed when Voiceover first came out but has
>>> anyone used
>>> it more intensively since then?  Is it ready for prime time?    What
>>> are its
>>> drawbacks.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> gui-talk mailing list
>>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for gui-talk:
>>>
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/n0oxy%40charter.ne
>> t
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> gui-talk:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/albertgriffith%40s
>> bcglobal.net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for gui-talk:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/n0oxy%40charter.ne
> t
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/dean%40topdotenter
> prises.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info  
> for gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/kfjelsted%40gmail.com