[gui-talk] Fw: Updating Adobe Flash Player

[Lloyd Rasmussen]

An update to my update.   This morning I accepted an Adobe Flash Player 
update on my wife's computer, running Window-Eyes 8.3 and Internet Explorer 
11.  I found that the checkbox for not accepting Google Chrome and Google 
Toolbar (which is now a single checkbox) was accessible and I was able to 
uncheck it before running the Flash Player update.  My previous experience 
was last Thursday on a computer running IE 9 and W-E 8.3, where a checkbox 
was nowhere to be found.  Adobe will probably say it was just an oversight 
which they have fixed.  I'm glad Adobe fixed this.

But my concern still stands.  Barring any changes in business practices, we 
have to accept the responsibility of educating all screen reader users of 
the need to uncheck this default installation of Google products that are 
detrimental or marginally frustrating to our ability to use the web. 
Companies that are successfully pushing their technology to us could be 
required to offer a free installation service for updates that is not 
encumbered by these extra programs, or they should be strongly encouraged to 
contribute financially to Freedom Scientific, GW Micro, Dolphin, NV Access 
and probably AI Squared so that the screen readers we use are made capable 
of usably handling   the technologies which are being pushed.  The same 
reasoning applies to Oracle's addition of the Ask toolbar whenever an update 
must be performed to a Java installation.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-----Original Message----- 
From: Lloyd Rasmussen
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 9:14 PM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player

I didn't have a reader handy when I ran into this situation.  So after the
Flash update was completed, I used Add/Remove Programs to remove the Google
toolbar and Google Chrome before they had a chance to run.  In each
instance, they popped up a survey asking why I was uninstalling those Google
programs.  I told them that it was because their programs had become a
default installation with Adobe Flash updates, and that there didn't seem to
be an accessible way of preventing those defaults from taking effect.  The
technology exists, and even a few weeks ago you could uncheck those
programs.  I don't feel kindly to Adobe these days, in addition to Oracle.
I am concerned about this situation also, because when my wife gets rehab to
buy a PC for someone, they will inevitably make their systems less useable
when these security upgrades come along, or they will expose their
state-bought equipment to security problems that could be prevented.  A lot
of people are getting computers but have minimal training in the level of
problem-solving we are discussing.



Lloyd Rasmussen, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-----Original Message----- 
From: Mike Freeman
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 1:12 PM
To: 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List'
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player

And here's where a reader comes in handy.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
Sent: Monday, December 09, 2013 3:47 AM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Updating Adobe Flash Player


For your information, Adobe Flash Player has not been available for download

on the Ninite site for a few months, so the only option is to download it
from the Adobe site.

Gerald
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