[gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro

Wed Oct 31 08:46:53 UTC 2012

How many times over those past 10 years did you clear the dust out of 
the computer with compressed air?  That may be why it was running as 
slowly as it was before you disposed of it.  That or the malware it 
picked up.  One of the dell computers I opened a few weeks ago smelled 
funny.  Turns out when I flipped it to drop any loose parts onto the 
workbench a dead mouse fell out.  So tell me about extreme please!

On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Loy wrote:

> That is a little extreme. I had a dell computer for 10 years that I used 8
> hours a day every day and it is still running today, I gave it away to get a
> faster one.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating
> their claims against GW Micro
> 
> 
> > Usually pc's are trash and because they're cheap that's the only reason
> > business users adopted them.  The corporates more money to pay their
> > executives.  As a case in point.  I have been taking apart PC's for
> > smartco since 2006 regularly each week on most weeks except for
> > holidays.  I can take apart a dell and by take apart I mean no metal is
> > left in contact with plastic in a little under a half hour.  In order
> > for me to take apart a Mac G4 computer it takes me 2 hours if I'm lucky.
> > The experience at smartco is when someone in a family no longer has use
> > for a mac, they pass it along to their heirs in their will.  Pc's on the
> > other hand don't last long enough to be passed along to heirs though.
> > Having been under the hood on one or two computers since 2006 I lost track
> > of the count long ago I could write some other things too about rich
> > people and why won't their computers work after spending all that money
> > but though they'd be true, they'd also be highly disrespectful of the rich
> > so I'll refrain.On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> >
> > > As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better application
> > > support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's easy,
> > > docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
> > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things better
> > > > than a Windows computer.  For instance, there is no Mac text to speech
> > > > app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.  And if
> > > > Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been embraced
> > > > by business users and government agencies?  You still get what you pay
> > > > for.  While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost commercial
> > > > screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless lack the
> > > > panaply of features and compatibility with third-party programs that the
> > > > more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
> > > >
> > > > Gerald
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy at charter.net>
> > > > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> > > > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> > > > eliminating their claims against GW Micro
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some may
> > > > > disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of the
> > > > > expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system access
> > > > > for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and continues to
> > > > > get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which does
> > > > > things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases better.
> > > > > Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in
> > > > > Windows 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen readers are
> > > > > simply disappearing.
> > > > > I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place on
> > > > > mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these provide
> > > > > accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or laptop
> > > > > computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next few
> > > > > years we will start to see that trend take place.
> > > > > Original message:
> > > > > > I could not agree more Mike!  Spot on.  IN fact, it was things such
> > > > > > as this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to switch to
> > > > > > my Mac back in November of 2009.  Justice has truly been served.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> > > > >
> > > > > > Skype name:
> > > > > > barefootedray
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science fiction
> > > > > > > got what was coming to them, that law suit never should have been
> > > > > > > filed in the first place. First they sued Serotek and then
> > > > > > > GW-micro. This is one reason among others why I will never
> > > > > > > purchase or recommend Freedom Scientific products, especially when
> > > > > > > their are much better products available. A part of me thinks that
> > > > > > > GW-Micro should counter sue to recover the costs associated with
> > > > > > > this, but I guess in a way that would make them no better. At
> > > > > > > least Justice was served. The bible has something very good to say
> > > > > > > about things like this. I'm paraphrasing here, but, basically it
> > > > > > > says that those who try to ensnare and trap others by digging a
> > > > > > > hole will fall in to it themselves. I'd say that's what happened
> > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > Original message:
> > > > > > > > The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's public
> > > > > > > > lists yesterday.  Reference is made to a large MP3 file that can
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > downloaded to hear the arguments.  Some had trouble finding the
> > > > > > > > file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided to
> > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > more closely to the MP3 file:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.mp3
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
> > > > > > > > To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
> > > > > > > > Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent Office
> > > > > > > > Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> > > > > > > > eliminating
> > > > > > > > their claims against GW Micro
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after the
> > > > > > > > Sight Village conference, someone entered our office and handed
> > > > > > > > me a
> > > > > > > > summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by Freedom
> > > > > > > > Scientific against GW Micro.  They received a patent for certain
> > > > > > > > screen reader features and our response was that Window-Eyes had
> > > > > > > > those same basic features several years prior to their patent.
> > > > > > > > This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money, which
> > > > > > > > finally came to a close last week.  GW Micro is vindicated -
> > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > over - the court decided in our favor!
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent
> > > > > > > > Office reexamined their patent at our request and found it to be
> > > > > > > > invalid in view of prior art.  Both the patent examiner and the
> > > > > > > > Board of Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same
> > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > - the patent is invalid.  Despite those results, they asked for
> > > > > > > > a federal court to review the decision and again they came to
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same conclusion as everyone else.  You may listen to this final
> > > > > > > > argument by going to http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
> > > > > > > > recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145, listen
> > > > > > > > to the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same conclusion
> > > > > > > > as everyone else.  Their original patent should not have been
> > > > > > > > granted in the first place and without the patent, there are no
> > > > > > > > grounds for their lawsuit against GW Micro.  If you decide to
> > > > > > > > listen to that file, you should be aware that it is a large
> > > > > > > > file,
> > > > > > > > which will take some time to download.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > We want to thank you all for the many words of encouragement,
> > > > > > > > support and prayers that we've received over these past 4 years.
> > > > > > > > Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything other
> > > > > > > > than fight and defend ourselves.  However, the sad fact is that
> > > > > > > > actions like this hurt all of us.  This caused a waste of
> > > > > > > > dollars and time for both our companies, which could have been
> > > > > > > > spent
> > > > > > > > improving existing products and developing new ones.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new products,
> > > > > > > > features and innovations and our recent release of our
> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes 8
> > > > > > > > public beta illustrates that perfectly.  If you haven't done so
> > > > > > > > already, I hope you will give it a try.  Simply doing that will
> > > > > > > > show your support of GW Micro.  We promise to continue to work
> > > > > > > > hard and conduct business in an honest and proper fashion.  The
> > > > > > > > reputation of GW Micro will never be litigation instead of
> > > > > > > > innovation.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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