[gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro

Loy loyrg2845 at gmail.com
Wed Oct 31 01:54:52 UTC 2012 

That is a little extreme. I had a dell computer for 10 years that I used 8 
hours a day every day and it is still running today, I gave it away to get a 
faster one.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List" 
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Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US 
PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and 
eliminating their claims against GW Micro


> Usually pc's are trash and because they're cheap that's the only reason
> business users adopted them.  The corporates more money to pay their
> executives.  As a case in point.  I have been taking apart PC's for
> smartco since 2006 regularly each week on most weeks except for
> holidays.  I can take apart a dell and by take apart I mean no metal is
> left in contact with plastic in a little under a half hour.  In order
> for me to take apart a Mac G4 computer it takes me 2 hours if I'm lucky.
> The experience at smartco is when someone in a family no longer has use
> for a mac, they pass it along to their heirs in their will.  Pc's on the
> other hand don't last long enough to be passed along to heirs though.
> Having been under the hood on one or two computers since 2006 I lost track
> of the count long ago I could write some other things too about rich
> people and why won't their computers work after spending all that money
> but though they'd be true, they'd also be highly disrespectful of the rich
> so I'll refrain.On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>
>> As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better application 
>> support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's 
>> easy, docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things better 
>> > than a Windows computer.  For instance, there is no Mac text to speech 
>> > app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.  And if 
>> > Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been 
>> > embraced by business users and government agencies?  You still get what 
>> > you pay for.  While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost 
>> > commercial screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless 
>> > lack the panaply of features and compatibility with third-party 
>> > programs that the more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
>> >
>> > Gerald
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy at charter.net>
>> > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US 
>> > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and 
>> > eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>> >
>> >
>> >> Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some may 
>> >> disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of the 
>> >> expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system access 
>> >> for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and continues to 
>> >> get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which does 
>> >> things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases better. 
>> >> Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in 
>> >> Windows 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen readers are 
>> >> simply disappearing.
>> >> I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place on 
>> >> mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these provide 
>> >> accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or laptop 
>> >> computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next few 
>> >> years we will start to see that trend take place.
>> >> Original message:
>> >>> I could not agree more Mike!  Spot on.  IN fact, it was things such 
>> >>> as this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to switch to my 
>> >>> Mac back in November of 2009.  Justice has truly been served.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Sincerely,
>> >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> >>
>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> >>
>> >>> Skype name:
>> >>> barefootedray
>> >>
>> >>> On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>> That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science fiction got 
>> >>>> what was coming to them, that law suit never should have been filed 
>> >>>> in the first place. First they sued Serotek and then GW-micro. This 
>> >>>> is one reason among others why I will never purchase or recommend 
>> >>>> Freedom Scientific products, especially when their are much better 
>> >>>> products available. A part of me thinks that GW-Micro should counter 
>> >>>> sue to recover the costs associated with this, but I guess in a way 
>> >>>> that would make them no better. At least Justice was served. The 
>> >>>> bible has something very good to say about things like this. I'm 
>> >>>> paraphrasing here, but, basically it says that those who try to 
>> >>>> ensnare and trap others by digging a hole will fall in to it 
>> >>>> themselves. I'd say that's what happened here.
>> >>>> Original message:
>> >>>>> The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's public 
>> >>>>> lists yesterday.  Reference is made to a large MP3 file that can be
>> >>>>> downloaded to hear the arguments.  Some had trouble finding the 
>> >>>>> file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided to get
>> >>>>> more closely to the MP3 file:
>> >>
>> >>>>> http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.mp3
>> >>
>> >>>>> ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
>> >>
>> >>>>> From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
>> >>>>> To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
>> >>>>> Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent Office 
>> >>>>> Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating
>> >>>>> their claims against GW Micro
>> >>
>> >>>>> In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after the Sight 
>> >>>>> Village conference, someone entered our office and handed me a
>> >>>>> summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by Freedom 
>> >>>>> Scientific against GW Micro.  They received a patent for certain
>> >>>>> screen reader features and our response was that Window-Eyes had 
>> >>>>> those same basic features several years prior to their patent.
>> >>>>> This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money, which 
>> >>>>> finally came to a close last week.  GW Micro is vindicated - it's
>> >>>>> over - the court decided in our favor!
>> >>
>> >>>>> I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent Office 
>> >>>>> reexamined their patent at our request and found it to be
>> >>>>> invalid in view of prior art.  Both the patent examiner and the 
>> >>>>> Board of Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same conclusion
>> >>>>> - the patent is invalid.  Despite those results, they asked for a 
>> >>>>> federal court to review the decision and again they came to the
>> >>>>> same conclusion as everyone else.  You may listen to this final 
>> >>>>> argument by going to http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
>> >>>>> recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145, listen to 
>> >>>>> the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same conclusion
>> >>>>> as everyone else.  Their original patent should not have been 
>> >>>>> granted in the first place and without the patent, there are no
>> >>>>> grounds for their lawsuit against GW Micro.  If you decide to 
>> >>>>> listen to that file, you should be aware that it is a large file,
>> >>>>> which will take some time to download.
>> >>
>> >>>>> We want to thank you all for the many words of encouragement, 
>> >>>>> support and prayers that we've received over these past 4 years.
>> >>>>> Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything other than 
>> >>>>> fight and defend ourselves.  However, the sad fact is that
>> >>>>> actions like this hurt all of us.  This caused a waste of dollars 
>> >>>>> and time for both our companies, which could have been spent
>> >>>>> improving existing products and developing new ones.
>> >>
>> >>>>> GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new products, 
>> >>>>> features and innovations and our recent release of our Window-Eyes 
>> >>>>> 8
>> >>>>> public beta illustrates that perfectly.  If you haven't done so 
>> >>>>> already, I hope you will give it a try.  Simply doing that will
>> >>>>> show your support of GW Micro.  We promise to continue to work hard 
>> >>>>> and conduct business in an honest and proper fashion.  The
>> >>>>> reputation of GW Micro will never be litigation instead of 
>> >>>>> innovation.
>> >>
>> >>>>> ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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