[gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?

Thu Jun 21 21:38:39 UTC 2012

Jude, but what about web sites that don't have audio captcha? I've seen
those. If there is no understandable audio captcha, or Webvisum, then there
is some advocating to do on our part.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Jude DaShiell
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:34 PM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?

In all of the time audio captchas have been available I haven't been 
able to solve any of them with normal hearing either.  However, from 
another list I got http://www.deathbycaptcha.com/ maybe that will be of 
some help.

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Gerald Levy wrote:

> 
> You claim that audio captchas are not too bad.  Well, even with my $5000
> hearing aids I find most of them incomprehensible.  And I have even
> encountered government web sites that have only an image captcha with no
> alternative working audio captcha that have the chutzpah to claim that
their
> sites meet accessibility standards.
> 
> Gerald
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul at asmodean.net>
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 8:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?
> 
> 
> > Hi, fwiw, Firefox is good to use regardless of webvisum. It runs much
better
> > than Internet Explorer, crashes less, and doesn't take up as many
resources.
> > All that being said, the topic is about Webvisum, which some didn't use
all
> > the time. Audio captchas, if available are not too bad, and if all else
> > fails. Get sighted help. I know you have already stated your views on
that,
> > but unfortunately it's reality;. If you want to not use a person to help
you
> > read captchas or you don't have available an audio alternative, then
write
> > the web sites who present these inaccessible captchas and try to get
them to
> > understand than an accessible form of verification is needed. For
example, a
> > random question like the sum of 5 and 3, which changes every time, might
> > work. Or, what color is the red apple? These have been known to work as
> > well.
> >
> > Good luck in your efforts.
> >
> > --
> > Raul A. Gallegos
> > We used to have a chocolate Labrador.    One day, it licked itself and
died.
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> >
> >
> > On 6/20/2012 4:17 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah, if it weren't for Webvisum, I wouldn't have wasted my time with
> > > Firefox.  I was getting pretty sick and tired of trying to keep up
with
> > > each new release.  So now what?  Anybody have any good ideas about how
> > > to solve image captchas without sighted help?  Please don't tell me to
> > > try the audio captcha alternative, because most of the time it either
> > > doesn't work or it is impossible to understand.
> > >
> > > Gerald
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Moore"
<don.moore48 at comcast.net>
> > > To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
List"
> > > <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Actually the web page is gone effective today too.  Sorry about the
> > > > earlier
> > > > post.  Too bad.  It's the only reason I have Firefox on my computer
> > > > along
> > > > with IE.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Humberto Avila"
> > > > <avila.bert.humberto2 at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing
List'"
> > > > <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 3:30 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm not happy with what has been said here. If the Webvisum
developers
> > > > are
> > > > tired of seeing new releases for firefox browser and trying to keep
up
> > > > with
> > > > those new releases, then they were tired and they did not want to
> > > > support
> > > > Webvisum anymore. If this is the case, then I am assuming some bad
and
> > > > nonsense pattern I'm seeing with blindness web developers. Look,
what
> > > > happened to quitter, the quitters that developed quitter finally
quit
> > > > because they decided that they couldn't keep up with demands and
> > > > questions
> > > > criticizing them. The developers at www.solona.net also gave up
their
> > > > site
> > > > because well, I'm not sure this is approved, but the site
> > > > administrator that
> > > > did the page was ill and couldn't keep up anymore. Now Webvisum is
> > > > next in
> > > > line? Is it their turn to quit? Wow! And the bad thing about this is
> > > > that
> > > > they don't even have a notification system and produce a notice! If
> > > > this is
> > > > to happen really, they should've posted some sort of notice under
> > > > their news
> > > > section or events section, whatever that is, on their web site.
Again, I
> > > > really really really hope this doesn't happen!
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > > > On
> > > > Behalf Of Gerald Levy
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 12:09 PM
> > > > To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
List
> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Did you just try it?  I don't understand how it could work for you
if
> > > > it no
> > > > longer exists. There is absolutely nothing related toWebvisum
anymore
> > > > on its
> > > >
> > > > home page.
> > > >
> > > > Gerald
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Moore"
<don.moore48 at comcast.net>
> > > > To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
List"
> > > > <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:46 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Does it support those old versions of Firefox?  Using the more
current
> > > > > version it seems to work fine.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald Levy"
> > > > > <bwaylimited at verizon.net>
> > > > > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 2:39 PM
> > > > > Subject: [gui-talk] Could Webvisum Finally Be Gone for Good?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This morning, when I launched Firefox 3.6, instead of the familiar
> > > > > "Alert,
> > > > > you are logged on to Webvisum" welcome message, I got a server
> > > > > connection
> > > > > error. So I visited a web page that contains an image captcha, but
> > > > > when I
> > > > > attempted to submit it to Webvisum for decoding by pressing
> > > > > Alt-Control-numrow 6, nothing happened. And the solve captcha
option
> > > > > was
> > > > > not
> > > > > available on the context menu either. I visited www.webvisum.com,
and
> > > > > was
> > > > > dismayed by the following message:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > NOTICE: This domain name expired on 06/19/2012 and is pending
renewal
> > > > > or
> > > > > deletion.
> > > > >
> > > > > This web page is parked FREE, courtesy of GoDaddy.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know much about Go Daddy, but I think it is a web hosting
> > > > > service.
> > > > > From the message, it sounds like Webvisum's domain name expired
> > > > > yesterday,
> > > > > and the Webvisum site is apparently gone. I certainly hope that
this
> > > > > isn't
> > > > > the case, and that this is just a temporary glitch.  But Blind
Cool
> > > > > Tech
> > > > > guru Rick Harmon, who is much more knowledgable about these things
> > > > > than
> > > > > me,
> > > > > believes that it may finally be gone for good.   If this is indeed
the
> > > > > case,
> > > > > are we going to be forced to rely on sighted help from now on to
solve
> > > > > image
> > > > > captchas?  Is there anything the blind advocacy groups can do?
Can
> > > > > anyone
> > > > > shed some light on what's up with Webvisum? Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >    Gerald
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