[gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regardingWindows Phone 8?

[Baracco, Andrew W]

One leverage point could be the Federal Government. Up to now, they have
used Blackberry, but I read that this may change. if for no other
reason, accessibility has always been problematic with Blackberry.

Andy


-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Hoffman, Allen
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 5:22 AM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell
regardingWindows Phone 8?

Remember this about windows 8 phone, not desktop.  It's a big
difference.  Frankly I don't think windows 8 on desktop is a big
problem, and in reality has some improvements.



-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve
Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 9:12 PM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding
Windows Phone 8?

Certainly we need to keep the heat on Microsoft regarding the
accessibility of Windows 8.  For one thing, we just don't know how the
market will change in a year.  If Microsoft is successful, Windows 8
could be making a dent in at least Android's sales.  One reason more has
not been said is that there is some reason to believe that accessibility
will be coming in Windows 8 for phones.  It doesn't have the priority
that most of us would like, but we don't think that it has been
complegely forgotten has been the case with some other current products.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:09:50 -0500 (EST), Jude DaShiell wrote:

>With Apple and Android available, why would anyone need Microsoft?On 
>Wed,
>28 Nov 2012, Hoffman, Allen wrote:

>> Lets be clear:
>> Windows 8 for personal computers is not that big a deal in 
>> accessibility terms and can work fine.  Windows 8 RT for some devices

>> can be problematic but is a small subset of windows.  Windows 8 Phone

>> is
the key challenge.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Gerald Levy
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:19 AM
>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding
Windows Phone 8?
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, this backwards step in terms of accessibility should have 
>> been raised a year ago when Windows 8 was still in beta testing.
>> Everyone knew that it was going to be one big mess, but nobody at the
so-called "advocacy" 
>> organizations gave it much thought.  Now that the final product is 
>> here and Windows 7 computers are rapidly vanishing from store 
>> shelves, it is probably too late to do anything.  MS seems to be an
>> 800
pound gorilla that nobody can stop.  But based on preliminary sales
figures, Windows 8 could be a bigger disaster for MS than Vista.  And
last week, Steve Sinofsky, the MS design executive responsible for
launching Vista, Windows7 and Windows 8 abruptly left the company.  Some
reports claim that he resigned before the you know what over Win 8 hits
the fan.  Other reports assert that he was forced to resign because of
personality clashes with MS CEO Steve Dallmer. 
>> In any case, Win 8 could well turn out to be the Edsel of operating
systems. 
>> All we can do is hope that it is such a colossal commercial flop that
MS will be forced to back peddle and release a more blind friendly OS
with Windows 9.
>> 
>> Gerald
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman at HQ.DHS.GOV>
>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
List" 
>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:56 AM
>> Subject: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding
Windows Phone 8?
>> 
>> 
>> > Given the terrible accessibility support in the windows Phone 8 
>> > release, not the first time for Microsoft, when will we, as a 
>> > community feel its time to raise some real hell over this 
>> > continuing lack of corporate responsibility?  Seems we focus a lot 
>> > on Kindle, and rightly so, but Microsoft should not be let off the 
>> > hook on this stuff.  In addition, when would we as a community 
>> > think its time to raise hell over getting authoring tools which 
>> > actually ensure accessibility of content produced rather than 
>> > impose nearly impossible additional work on authors?  I'm sure 
>> > battles must be picked, but am unclear on the strategy for picking
them of late.
>> >
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