[gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?

[Mike Freeman]

Wayne:

I, too, have used a system like that where the CAPTCHA solution was sent in
an email. I liked it also although I figure someone at NSA could have
figured it out or crafted some sort of software to intercept and mimmick the
user. But your right; it wouldn't be a trivial task. And it would be an easy
request for us to make.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Wayne Merritt
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:15 PM
To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?

The most innovative CAPTCHA solution I ever used was from the US Postal
Service several years ago when I changed my mailing address. I don't
remember if there was an audio CAPTCHA. However, when I clicked the link for
the alternative, I was asked to fill in my email address.
Then, on the next page there was an edit box for me to paste in the code
that was emailed to me. Once I pasted in the code and hit submit, the
completed form went through. There are probably ways around even this, but
it would be hard to do since you'd need to have someone's email address and
password to retrieve the code to be put into the edit box. That method gets
my vote for an accessible design and fairly secure and reliable CAPTCHA
alternative.

And if I could ensure that someone would be on the other side of the VizWiz
IOS app by paying money, I just might do that. I don't know if I'd pay $85
per year, but if you presented a good app like VizWiz that was accessible
and easy to use, and priced it reasonably, then I'd be interested and maybe
even bite. However, the point that any system with human interaction/solving
is not a good system and not full proof is pretty much spot on. still,
better than having to call an 800 number during the day and waiting for
someone to call you back to complete a form, :)

Wayne

On 6/27/11, Nadia Cioffi <blindhelpfultech at gmail.com> wrote:
> So there are staff doing the camtas 24/7? I missed like half of this 
> chat
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:11 PM, Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com> wrote:
>
>> Realistically, I think it would take at least five employees so the 
>> cost would be more like $85 a year for each subscriber. While this 
>> isn't exorbitant, people are more likely to pay for several steak 
>> dinners or many beers than they are to pay for such subscription 
>> costs; at least it often seems like it.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2011, at 13:35, Nadia Cioffi <blindhelpfultech at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > It better not be redemed usless It's the only way I can "read"
>> CAPTIONAWS"
>> > there are vice things. but they make it almust inposable to undertand.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Dave Marthouse 
>> ><dmarthouse at gmail.com
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>       Just my two cents worth here but if third party solutions 
>> >> for solving this problem exist that depend on human volunteers 
>> >> there will always be problems from time to time.
>> >>
>> >> I don't know if such a service is viable but what about some kind 
>> >> of subscription service that will pay people to sit and solve 
>> >> captias at
>> least
>> >> during regular business hours.  Let's say a site that is on-line 
>> >> from 9 till
>> >> 5 every business day that pays the captia solver minimum wage.  
>> >> That
>> would
>> >> cost $16,000 a year.  That's 1,000 subscriptions at $16 a year.  
>> >> Let's
>> add
>> >> #3,000 for a cushion.  That makes it a subscription of around #20 
>> >> a year per user.
>> >>
>> >> Even though the blind community isn't the most prosperous in the 
>> >> world taken as a hole a $20 a year fey is a little more than a 
>> >> cost of a steak
>> dinner.
>> >>
>> >> This isn't a perfect answer and what I've outlined above isn't a
>> long-term
>> >> solution but it is at least a possible stop gap measure till some 
>> >> kind
>> of
>> >> permanent solution can be put into place.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Dave Marthouse
>> >> dmarthouse at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >>
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