[gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?

[Mike Freeman]

Peter:

With respect, let's talk turkey here! You are spouting nonsense in your message below. As Steve Jacobson and others have pointed out, if screen-reader vendors can solve CAPTCHA's, then so can spammers so we're right back where we started. It's sort of like in ancient history wherein Egyptian and other royalty tried mightily to design tombs that were so tricky to navigate that the royal treasure accompanying the dead personages wouldn't be plundered. But guess what? Surprise, surprise! Any labyrinth that a human can invent, a grave-robber can circumvent and only a few tombs remained unspoiled to this day. It is just so with CAPTCHA's. The only accessible system to solve this problem is a certificate system such as John Heim has suggested over on NFB-TALK and there are horrendous political problems with that solution.

To opine as you do that because we can solve the Blind Driver Challenge, we should be able to solve CAPTCHA's is like asserting that because we went to the moon, we should be able to cure cancer. I'm sorry, everyone, but that's comparing apples to cumquats!

Mike

On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:20, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> wrote:

> Hello again everyone,
> 
> Another fly in the ointment is that if it's technically feasible for the NFB 
> and other partners to develop an interface to allow a blind person to drive 
> a car independently it's also possible for us to work with screen reader 
> developers and others to put CAPTCHA at -solving capability into their 
> products, so the accessibility problems they pose for the blind and 
> deaf-blind are eliminated while preventing spam bots from accessing the 
> site. The solution to the problem of a blind-drivable car and the ability of 
> screen readers to solve captchas are not simple one-size-fits-all fix yet we 
> proved to ourselves that we are capable of solving such complex solutions.
> 
>    Well at least one community of Web developers with no connection to the 
> blind community or the organized blind movement rose to the challenge and 
> tackled the problem with success. I know this first-hand from having 
> successfully implemented it on a Web site this past month. See everyone in 
> Orlando.
> 
> Peter Donahue who is tired of hearing broken records.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List" 
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 12:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] will Webvisum be rendered useless?
> 
> 
> The fly in the ointment is that if it's technically feasible for 
> screen-reader developers to put CAPTCHA at -solving capability into their 
> products, so can spammers. The solution to the problem is not a simple 
> one-size-fits-all fix.
> 
> Mike
> 
> On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:46, "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimited at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> The real problem is that the major screen reader companies, FS and GW