[gui-talk] [gua-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer Accessible

Wed Dec 21 21:24:27 UTC 2011

sorry did not mean for that to come across as criticize its just so
meny people um say something and think its fact. Thanks for clearing
it up thats it is the settings page yes I do agree its a mess. Did any
of you get the new layout for youtube. I have but do not understand
how to use it yet. Hav you noticed anything? My apoliges for that
misunderstanding. About mac how do u like it and would u tell me how
well voice over works and if the investment would be wearth the money?

Thanks for your mac information I have been hunting around for people
that know what voice over can and can not do and how they like it.
Also, happy hollidays to you
On 12/20/11, Ray Foret Jr <rforetjr at att.net> wrote:
> We do know what we're talking about!  We're talking about the Google search
> settings page.  Perhaps you should read more carefully before you criticize.
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> On Dec 20, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Frendly_Nadia wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Besides you all lost me I have not noticed a huge change in google's
>> website besides the edit boxs when you use the website for surching.
>>
>> I do not mind that people say or claim that things are not accessible
>> but, please please make sure you ask people before you say things on
>> this NFB mailing list. There is however a new layout to google that
>> they are or have already rolled out. graphicly its much bigger and
>> white on red buttens Some screen reader users will see the change with
>> screen readers. Another heads up is that youtube is getting a new GUI
>> .  So my advice is to start playing around with google. It has a lot
>> of good things need to get use to the new GUI as with new things comes
>> new user interfaces. Quick fact windows 8 is out for eaither develper
>> or beta release. Have some new technology and some things that people
>> at FS are going to have to overcome. Maybe they have already I do not
>> know, but I do know that JAWS 13 is out at this time. I know for sure
>> it is going to be a least a little change from windows 7. I tested the
>> windows 8 but, was not impressed with it. That is just my thought on
>> it make sure you ask around thoughts do vary on it quite a bit. Wish
>> you luck on your widows learning along with Google.
>> On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 6:44 PM, Rose Combs <rosecombs at q.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Wheat ever was accessible labs, the page I have used for several years.
>>>
>>>
>>> Rose Combs
>>> rosecombs at Q.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf Of GREGORY ROSENBERG
>>> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 2:29 PM
>>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] [gua-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer
>>> Accessible
>>>
>>> Rose,
>>>
>>> Are you speaking of a different page other than
>>> http://www.google.com/accessibility/
>>>
>>> On Dec 16, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Rose Combs wrote:
>>>
>>>> My question is why should we have to keep changing modes, using
>>>> different cursors to accomplish something that a sighted person can do
>>>> with a mouse in a nanosecond.
>>>>
>>>> I had used the Accessible Google page at work for years, and now
>>>> suddenly it is gone and now when I do a search I have so much garbage
>>>> to get through before I find my results that it is hardly worth it.  I
>>>> just want my simple search and simple results pages, especially at
>>>> work where I am generally searching for medical equipment or
>>>> medications, cancer trials etc.  I don't want ads, I don't want to
>>>> have to wade through over half a page of junk to find 10 results that
>>>> because I don't know how to spell what I am looking for, why else
>>>> would I be looking, discover that what I got were people's you-tube
>>>> pages or blogs when what I want is a manufacturer site or a drug store
>>> site.
>>>>
>>>> For that alone I am upset with Google for doing away with the
>>>> accessible page.  At home I don't care usually but at work I need to
>>>> be fast and true, I don't have time to look through junk, not with the
>>>> production standers they push out, I cannot spend 15 minutes or more
>>>> looking for something and with Accessible Google, I never did, less than
>>> two or three usually.
>>>>
>>>> I still use it, but if I found something with as much going for it
>>>> that was a simple interface I'd be using it for work at least.
>>>>
>>>> Why the heck did they take it away is what I want to know.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rose Combs
>>>> rosecombs at Q.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:30 PM
>>>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer
>>>> Accessible
>>>>
>>>> Mike,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the reminder about hos these work.  With Window-Eyes and
>>>> Internet Explorer 8, I turned browse mode off and then on after
>>>> pressing ENTER on Options, and they then appeared.  I also found the
>>>> "slider" that changes the number of results shown.  I routed the
>>>> Window-Eyes mouse pointer to the slider and then pressed right arrow
>>>> until I got to the number I wanted and then clicked on it to make the
>>>> change.  The predictive search can also be turned off on this page.
>>>>
>>>> This is the kind of thing that makes our lives complicated.  This is
>>>> certainly less convenient, and I find myself really wondering what has
>>>> been gained.  Besides screen readers, I don't think these sliders can
>>>> be manipulated from the keyboard, although I need to investigate that
>>> more.
>>>> Yet, because of how they work, it probably would not be that hard to
>>>> develop Window-Eyes apps or JFW scripts to make this easier to handle.
>>>> If these are new controls that are pretty common, expecting our screen
>>>> readers to handle them is not unreasonable.  If they are controls
>>>> specific only to certain Google pages, then it seems less reasonable
>>>> in that screen readers can't keep up with every control anyone can
>>>> think of even if scripting is possible.  This is definitely a gray
>>>> area in some ways, and I would also like to hear more what Google has
>>>> to say about these before making the kinds of claims some are making
>>>> here.  Whether we like it or not, some of the problem is that the web
>>>> has changed faster than screen readers can keep up but there have been
>>>> efforts to make new constructs accessible.  We just don't know for
>>>> certain at this point what is involved here.  Those having trouble
>>>> with the search page should go to this page, find the predictive
>>>> search slider, route the mouse or "JAWS cursor" to it and click on
>>>> OFF.  I found that I had to clidk on the Save button with the mouse
>>>> rather than the SPACE BAR as well, but possibly ENTER would have worked.
>>> I don't know for sure.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 12:47:10 -0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did some experimentation this morning and, as I suspected, things
>>>>> aren't
>>>> quite as simple and cut-and-
>>>> dried as most on this list are painting them. In particular, those who
>>>> are fulminating against Google should pay close attention to the below
>>>> as it illustrates perfectly why caution is in order and why venting
>>>> one's spleen because something is supposedly not accessible may, in
>>>> fact, be either operator error or the inability of one's
>>>> screen-reading technology to handle a perfectly legitimate web
>>>> construct.
>>>>
>>>>> Using JAWS 12 and IE7 from my work computer, I saw what seemed to me
>>>>> a
>>>> "normal" Google search page.
>>>> Below the "Search" and "I'm Feeling Lucky" buttons was an "Options"
>>>> link.
>>>> JAWS 12 showed it as a link.
>>>> As Steve says below, clicking on the link seems to accomplish nothing.
>>>> However, this is not the case. If
>>>> one arrows down after hitting the "Options" link, one finds that the
>>>> page has expanded to include a bunch of new links including one to go
>>>> to SPreferences and thence to earch Settings where there are
>>>> constructs to set all the parameters we're used to.
>>>>
>>>>> I haven't checked this at home with JAWS 13 and IE8 yet but I know
>>>>> that
>>>> this "Options" construct below
>>>> the search says "Has pop-up" which presumably means that clicking on
>>>> it (hitting ENTER) expands the page as described above. I'll test this
>>>> later today when I'm home.
>>>>
>>>>> So before blaming everyone and everything, it's always a good idea to
>>>>> ask
>>>> lots of questions and
>>>> experiment a bit and always be ready to be adaptable and acknowledge
>>>> that something new (but not necessarily inaccessible) is going on.
>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, anyone who has searched Microsoft's security pages for
>>>> product bulletins will have
>>>> encountered this "pop-up" construct as it's been around all 2011.
>>>>
>>>>> Mike Freeman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2011, at 12:09, "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a bit confused here.  I see that there are differences on the
>>>>>> search
>>>> page of Google and that
>>>> there
>>>>>> is no "screen reader" link, but I am not noticing any real
>>>>>> differences in
>>>> the search.  Am I missing
>>>>>> something?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am not able to find a link to get to the search options, though.
>>>>>> There
>>>> is an "options" link that
>>>> for
>>>>>> me does not seem to do anything.  From what I have read, I
>>>>>> understand
>>>> that there are changes there
>>>> that
>>>>>> are not good but am wondering how people are getting there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 04:02:28 -0800, hawkeye wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had sighted assistance on this.  This is no line to check
>>>>>>> for screenreaders.  There once was but there isn't now.  Been to
>>>>>>> the start
>>>> up
>>>>>>> page, been to the homesite, there is no line for screenreaders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Gerald Levy
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 2:29 PM
>>>>>>> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
>>>>>>> List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Google Search Settings Page No Longer
>>>>>>> Accessible
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is all well and good if all you want to do is turn off Google
>>>> Instant.
>>>>>>> But what if you want to change the number of search results per
>>>>>>> page
>>>> from
>>>>>>> the default of 10 to 20 or 50?  Or specify that each search result
>>>>>>> opens
>>>> in
>>>>>>> a new browser window?  Apparently, there is no longer any way to
>>>> accomplish
>>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gerald
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
>>>>>>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing
>>>>>>> List"
>>>
>>>>>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:10 PM
>>>>
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