[gui-talk] That Sonic Cane???
The Jacobs Family
bandbjacobs at verizon.net
Wed Mar 24 19:45:01 UTC 2010
Oh Glory Guys!! Normally I have better things to do with my time. But when
I saw this, I just couldn't resist!! The last one of these I saw came out
in the 70's and just carrying the thing and putting on those "Glasses" that
went along with it, I felt like I was in a straight jacket!! The cane
itself was like trying to use a table saw for a cane, it was so heavy! Not
into weight lifting, thank you! Furthermore, the glasses were frightfully
distracting as they made strange noises and I simply stood there trying to
figure out how one could hear traffic noises and other things around me with
sonic tones and weird things in the background? Oh Glory!! Felt like I was
in the TWILIGHT ZONE!!!" Almost scared me spittless!!
Bern
----- Original Message -----
From: <gui-talk-request at nfbnet.org>
To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [SPAM] gui-talk Digest, Vol 71, Issue 25
> Send gui-talk mailing list submissions to
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> gui-talk-request at nfbnet.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> gui-talk-owner at nfbnet.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of gui-talk digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. Re: a warning (Maria Kristic)
> 2. eye-pal zoom-ex by Abisee (Roger Dennis)
> 3. Re: NLS Player (Loy)
> 4. Fwd: Wayfinder Access: Latest update on our campaign
> (Steve Pattison)
> 5. Re: Windows 7 and MS office 2003 (CathyAnne)
> 6. Fwd: Jaws FAQ: JAWS and FaceBook (Steve Pattison)
> 7. Re: a warning (Rose Combs)
> 8. Re: a warning (qubit)
> 9. Re: NLS Player (Mike Freeman)
> 10. Fwd: TwelveGifts new script for Window-eyes (Steve Pattison)
> 11. Fwd: new Window-Eyes script FreeSpace (Steve Pattison)
> 12. Fwd: Article: Primpo to introduce 'Isonic', its
> revolutionary white cane for the visually impaired (Steve Pattison)
> 13. Re: Fwd: Article: Primpo to introduce 'Isonic', its
> revolutionary white cane for the visually impaired
> (Rafal Charlampowicz)
> 14. Re: NLS Player (Steve Jacobson)
> 15. A Thunderbird Question (Cindy Handel)
> 16. Re: NLS Player (Good, John)
> 17. Re: NLS Player (Ted Shelly)
> 18. Re: NLS Player (Good, John)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:10:53 -0400
> From: "Maria Kristic" <maria.kristic at gmail.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] a warning
> Message-ID: <4ba9204f.0e0db80a.261d.4468 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I ordered my upgrade directly from KESI (www.kurzweiledu.com), and I paid
> $148.50--I just checked to make sure that was the right price. I don't
> remember the exact breakdown that was given to me--this was in November of
> last year--but it was the same $125 for the upgrade and the rest between
> shipping and taxes, so it's certainly not just HumanWare, and it doesn't
> seem to have to do with inter-country shipments, as KESI is in
> Massachusetts, and my upgrade was being shipped to New York. I also highly
> doubt that it costs so much to ship some CD's and documentation, so I
> would
> suspect that, similar to what RFB&D does (I actually read that they do
> this,
> the sentence is "Contrary to what some may believe, the [DAISY CD] players
> [which RFB&D directly sells] are marked up from the original purchase
> price,
> and the sales do help fund some of the agency's budget.", from an article
> found at http://www.blindskills.com/sep_oct_2008_sample1.html), they are
> charging higher shipping fees to help cover their costs--some is the
> actual
> shipping fee, the rest goes back to the company. Based on your and my
> experiences, I figure you'll probably end up paying a similar price no
> matter who you order from, but ordering directly from KESI will, at least,
> save you $6.
>
> HTH,
> Maria
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of qubit
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 6:30 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List
> Subject: [gui-talk] a warning
>
> I just called humanware to order the upgrade of K1000 at the upgrade offer
> price of $125. They took my order and quoted me a total of $154.xx which
> seemed rather exorbitant. I asked for a breakdown and they said it
> included
> the upgrade cost of $125 plus tax plus a whopping $20 shipping fee. Now
> really, for a program cd and a bunch of docs they charge $20. I am quite
> annoyed at this price.
> Has anyone else encountered ridiculous shipping costs for material from
> humanware?
> Should I contest the price and order it elsewhere where they won't charge
> this price? I think I will shop around.
> Thanks.
> --le
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:33:56 -0400
> From: "Roger Dennis" <rogernews at mydennis.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] eye-pal zoom-ex by Abisee
> Message-ID: <003601cacac8$2c5ca720$8515f560$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I am looking at the zoom-ex by Abisee and wood like any comments either
> positive or negative that anyone can offer. This is the model that works
> with a computer and allows both enlarging and scanning of documents.
> Thanks
> in advance, Roger
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:55:38 -0400
> From: "Loy" <loyrg2845 at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
> Message-ID: <814E91E9FCA54CF5AB3DB60CDD1028CF at DELL>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hold down the play button until you hear a beep and it says bookshelf,
> then the forward and back button to navigate between books, and when you
> hear the title of the one you want then hit the play button again and it
> will start to play.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don H" <lmddh50 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
>
> I have the latest firmware and when I have three books on the cartridge it
> states I have three books but seems that the timing on pressing the
> buttons
> is so touchy that I got it to list the three book titles one time out of a
> dozen tries. All the other times it just advanced on the current book.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:53 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
> I don't know if you have an Advanced Player or the basic one. This may
> work
> for both. Hold down the PLAY Key for two seconds and you'll be in the
> bookshelf. Use the left and right menu keys to select the book; then press
> play again.
>
> Each book should be in its own folder under the root.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kris Hickerson" <krishickerson at att.net>
> To: "gui-talk" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:04 AM
> Subject: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
>
>> Hi Again Everyone,
>>
>> I know this is considered off topic, but I don't know where else to go
>> for
>> this question.
>>
>> I have put 4 books on a cartridge for the NLS player. They are in the
>> root
>> directory of the cartridge and, when I put the cartridge in the player,
>> it
>> tells me there are four books. However, it will only read the first book
>> and no matter what I try I cannot get to the other three. If I use
>> forward
>> and backward, it just takes me to beginning and end of book, but I cannot
>> locate a list of the books on the cartridge to select the one I want.
>>
>> What have I done wrong?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> gui-talk:
>>
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/lmddh50%40comcast.
> net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/loyrg2845%40gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:16:11 +1100
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Wayfinder Access: Latest update on our
> campaign
> Message-ID: <20100324091610.1BDD.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav forums at talknav.com
>
> Dear All,
>
> An update on progress thus far for you all...
>
> To date we've accumulated over 1,600 signatures to our protest list, it's
> a great start so well done to all of you who have been rallying the cause.
>
> Vodafone are now in negotiations with myself in terms of where to proceed
> with the Access application and I can relay the following to you at this
> time.
>
> Vodafone accepts that it has both a social and ethical as well as a legal
> contractual obligation towards Wayfinder Access users, and this is a
> really important statement believe me. It means that they know that they
> cannot simply rinse their hands of us as a user group.
>
> At this time there are several options being discussed, one is to refund
> users, either in full or in part. Another is based on a suggestion of mine
> to exchange WFA licenses for an alternative accessible GPS product. This
> would have to not cost them more necessarily than a direct refund, but it
> has merits especially if we can show that there's a real media risk of
> damage to them if they don't help us out.
>
> Please do not press too much for detail on this as I cannot give it to
> you,
> but in essence assume Vodafone had to in some degree refund users,
> that would amount to figure `x`, if we could use this same amount to buy
> in mass an alternative accessible option this could work for us.
>
> One or two other options are on the table at this time, which I cannot say
> more about, as the logistics and commercial viability is still being
> looked
> into, but this is a great start and one we should be proud of.
>
> Today Rory Heap and I took part in a BBC In Touch radio interview being
> aired tomorrow evening on BBC Radio 4. I'm sure that those of you outside
> the UK will be able to download it, and hopefully Tim will be able to set
> it up
> on the protest site.
>
> What happens next, now more than ever, as we enter the very heart of the
> negotiation can we not afford to have a slow down on sign ups to our
> protest. If Vodafone see that we've reached our pinnacle of signatories
> they may assume that 1,600 is the maximum number of supporters our cause
> has, this is most certainly not a few that we wish to convey.
>
> So it's essential that we redouble our efforts to sign people up. Resend
> the
> message to your mailing lists, get friends, family and work colleagues to
> sign up. It takes just a minute and people can choose to do it privately
> if
> they wish. Be sure they know just how much Access means to you and how
> it's essential that they understand that their support could directly
> influence
> Vodafone's decision.
>
> A few bits of good news:
>
> Way finder's CEO has assured me that service isn't going to just stop, not
> at all, so no matter when service does eventually stop, we're going to
> know
> with a good lead time. Wayfinder are sympathetic and conscious of our
> position and their obligations. These are all excellent things to know and
> be
> assured of.
>
> He did though say that the time will come and it is likely not to be 12
> months
> away but sooner.
>
> For now that's it, please people, now more than ever we need to show our
> selves as being in favour of this product. So let's get out there and get
> people's names on our list.
>
> www.talknav.com/protest
>
> Best wishes.
> Neil Barnfather
> TalkNav
>
> Regards Steve
> Email: srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype: steve1963
> Twitter: steve9782
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:39:22 -0700
> From: "CathyAnne" <cathy at accesstechnologyinstitute.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Windows 7 and MS office 2003
> Message-ID: <03b201cacad9$b0416470$10c42d50$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> I've found that a number of programs that are older, like Office 2003 run
> better in compatibility mode. Within the properties, access the
> compatibility property sheet and set it to run as though it were in XP or
> Vista. That should solve the problem.
>
>
> ---
> CathyAnne Murtha
> Access Technology Institute
> www.blindtraining.com
> Phone: (520) 303-5885
> FAX: (800) 986-6198
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:05:01 +1100
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, CUG Members <Members at bcacug.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Jaws FAQ: JAWS and FaceBook
> Message-ID: <20100324100500.1C4A.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> From: Daniel Keogh DKeogh at quantumtechnology.com.au
> To: vip-l at freelists.org
>
> Hi All,
>
> There have been a few questions over the last couple of weeks on this
> list regarding JAWS and FaceBook. I'll see if I can clarify a couple of
> things here and also suggest a couple of ways to make FaceBook work a
> bit better. I won't be telling you how to use FaceBook since there are a
> lot of aspects of it I haven't even looked at myself and probably never
> will.
>
> This information assumes you're using JAWS version 11. Jaws 10 may work
> ok but FaceBook is using technology it doesn't work with very well. Also
> you'll probably have issues if you're not yet running Internet Explorer
> 8. I have been told that you can access it using Firefox but have not
> tested this myself.
>
> The standard FaceBook page is accessible. You do not need to use the
> Mobile version although you can if you wish to. Navigating the standard
> one however is actually easier since it uses headings to separate each
> section of the page. The mobile version does not do this which makes it
> harder to get around. FaceBook's pages don't have too much clutter so
> it's not hard to skip things you don't want to look at.
>
> Learn your JAWS navigation keys for the web especially heading
> navigation. Pressing h will skip you forward through headings and Shift
> h will move you back up the page. If you reach the last heading and
> press h again it will wrap around to the top again.
>
> Learn how to use Place Markers. These can be extremely useful on a lot
> of sites. JAWS Place Markers can be anchored to text so even if that
> part of the page moves you will still find it.
>
> Finally I strongly suggest you make a change to your JAWS configuration.
> This will allow some of the links that don't read properly to work.
>
> 1. Go to www.facebook.com.
>
> 2. Press JawsKey Shift V. this will set up a configuration for FaceBook
> only. Anything you change in here won't affect other web sites. You can
> do this for any web site and it will override the default settings.
>
> 3. Press L until you hear JAWS say "Links Options". Arrow down to "Text
> Links". This is most likely set to "show - using screen text". Press the
> space bar until you hear JAWS say "show - using title". Now press enter.
>
> That should allow some of the links at the top of the FaceBook page that
> may not be reading properly to work as they should.
>
> Regards,
> Danny Keogh
> Quantum Technology
> Blindness Software/Hardware Sales and Support
> Phone: 03 9545 4102
> Mobile: 0439 022 146
> Email dkeogh at quantumtechnology.com.au
>
> Quantum Technology Home: www.quantumtechnology.com.au
>
> Regards Steve
> Email: srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype: steve1963
> Twitter: steve9782
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 16:21:57 -0700
> From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs at q.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] a warning
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP62E3CD9F312BB7CA3757AABF260 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Why did you call HumanWare? Should have called Kurzweil I think.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> rosecombs at Q.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of qubit
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:30 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List
> Subject: [gui-talk] a warning
>
> I just called humanware to order the upgrade of K1000 at the upgrade offer
> price of $125. They took my order and quoted me a total of $154.xx which
> seemed rather exorbitant. I asked for a breakdown and they said it
> included
> the upgrade cost of $125 plus tax plus a whopping $20 shipping fee. Now
> really, for a program cd and a bunch of docs they charge $20. I am quite
> annoyed at this price.
> Has anyone else encountered ridiculous shipping costs for material from
> humanware?
> Should I contest the price and order it elsewhere where they won't charge
> this price? I think I will shop around.
> Thanks.
> --le
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/rosecombs%40q.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:47:48 -0500
> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] a warning
> Message-ID: <B7BE7676109E4BD787E6EE652EB417EE at bassclef>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I didn't know the number of kurzweil. Mea culpa -- but I asked humanware
> for
> the number for kurzweil and they said they could sell me the software for
> the same price. That's the gist of my mail -- they charge the same base
> amount but bite you on shipping and handling.
> --le
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rose Combs" <rosecombs at q.com>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] a warning
>
>
> Why did you call HumanWare? Should have called Kurzweil I think.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> rosecombs at Q.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of qubit
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 3:30 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of NFBnet GUI-TALK Mailing List
> Subject: [gui-talk] a warning
>
> I just called humanware to order the upgrade of K1000 at the upgrade offer
> price of $125. They took my order and quoted me a total of $154.xx which
> seemed rather exorbitant. I asked for a breakdown and they said it
> included
> the upgrade cost of $125 plus tax plus a whopping $20 shipping fee. Now
> really, for a program cd and a bunch of docs they charge $20. I am quite
> annoyed at this price.
> Has anyone else encountered ridiculous shipping costs for material from
> humanware?
> Should I contest the price and order it elsewhere where they won't charge
> this price? I think I will shop around.
> Thanks.
> --le
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/rosecombs%40q.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/lauraeaves%40yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:28:20 -0700
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
> Message-ID: <4927C35EE9AC441A8D5E2717F1A4A771 at owner1e06aeb63>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I've had more than one book on a thumb drive.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don H" <lmddh50 at comcast.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
>
>> You can only have one book on the thumb drive or cartridge at a time.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Kris Hickerson
>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:05 PM
>> To: gui-talk
>> Subject: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>>
>> Hi Again Everyone,
>>
>> I know this is considered off topic, but I don't know where else to go
>> for
>> this question.
>>
>> I have put 4 books on a cartridge for the NLS player. They are in the
>> root
>> directory of the cartridge and, when I put the cartridge in the player,
>> it
>> tells me there are four books. However, it will only read the first book
>> and no matter what I try I cannot get to the other three. If I use
>> forward
>> and backward, it just takes me to beginning and end of book, but I cannot
>> locate a list of the books on the cartridge to select the one I want.
>>
>> What have I done wrong?
>>
>> Thanks for any help.
>>
>> Kris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> gui-talk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/lmddh50%40comcast.
>> net
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> gui-talk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/k7uij%40panix.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:29:51 +1100
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, CUG Members
> <Members at bcacug.org>, VIP-L <vip-l at freelists.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: TwelveGifts new script for Window-eyes
> Message-ID: <20100324132950.1D5A.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> From: Jeff Weiss
>
> I have just released a new inspirational Christian script called Twelve
> Gifts. The text from the help follows:
>
> Press Shift-Insert-T to display a random message from the 12
> Christian messages taken from God's many gifts to us from the
> Bible. The default button is Next which will scroll forward through the
> messages. The Previous button will allow you to go backward through the
> messages. The Close button will close the message dialog, and the Copy
> button will copy the text of the current message to the clipboard and
> close
> the message dialog.
>
> My wife Johnette put together the text of Twelve Gifts, taken from God's
> many gifts to us presented in the Bible, and I put her material into this
> script.
>
> Regards Steve
> Email: srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype: steve1963
> Twitter: steve9782
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 15:31:09 +1100
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, CUG Members
> <Members at bcacug.org>, VIP-L <vip-l at freelists.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: new Window-Eyes script FreeSpace
> Message-ID: <20100324153108.1DC6.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> From: Jeff Weiss
>
> I have just posted a new utility script to Script Central.
>
> FreeSpace will give you the free space and other info about your drives.
> The
> version is listed as 1.2 because I have been using it for some time, and
> decided to send it in. The help info follows:
>
> Press Insert-Shift-F to see free space and other info on any drive.
> Just enter the drive letter alone. You can copy the report to the
> clipboard or close the message box with out copying the message.
>
> I hope some of you find this little script useful.
>
> Jeff Weiss
>
> Regards Steve
> Email: srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype: steve1963
> Twitter: steve9782
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 16:19:50 +1100
> From: Steve Pattison <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: Access L <access-l at access-l.com>, CUG Members <Members at bcacug.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Article: Primpo to introduce 'Isonic', its
> revolutionary white cane for the visually impaired
> Message-ID: <20100324161949.1E0D.225DF185 at internode.on.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> From: Red Wolf
>
> http://us.aving.net/news/view.php?articleId0585
>
> Primpo to introduce 'Isonic', its revolutionary white cane for the
> visually impaired
> [ Joshua 2010-03-22 ]
>
> SEOUL, Korea (AVING Special Report on 'Hong Kong Electronics Fair
> 2010') -- <Visual News> Primpo Co., Ltd. (CEO Jai Kim, www.primpo.com)
> will introduce its revolutionary new cane product for the visually
> impaired, "Isonic", at the Hong Kong Electronics Fair, to be held for four
> days from April 13 to 16, 2010. The company will participate in the
> exhibition as part of a project initiated by the district administration
> of Gangnam-gu, to assist Korean firms in their overseas marketing
> activities.
>
> Unlike conventional white canes, with which a user can not detect
> obstacles above waist height, the "Isonic" model can detect obstacles
> within a range of 25 degrees horizontally and 50 degrees vertically with
> an integrated supersonic sensor.
>
> The product can also detect obstacles within a distance of 2 meters,
> as well as very slim objects, narrower than 3cm. With decreasing distance
> to an object, the cane's vibrating indicator sends a stronger signal to
> the user, pinpointing the location of the obstacle.
>
> A feature to inform a visually impaired user of an object's color
> draws special attention. With a color sensor attached, the user is
> informed by voice messages of 10 detectable colors and their brightness,
> including red, orange and blue.
>
> Field tests conducted with 15 people in September of 2009 yielded
> very satisfying results.
>
> The CEO of Primpo, Jai Kim, said, "The ultimate functionality of the
> "Isonic" is to allow the visually impaired to move around freely without
> having to rely on a conventional cane. Prior to developing this product,
> we conducted a survey with more than 600 handicapped students and
> teachers. Among others, the color indication feature drew the most
> attention."
>
>
>
> (Photo Caption: Ultrasonic and color sensors mounted)
>
>
>
> (Photo Caption: Button for power, color and contrast)
>
> Regards Steve
> Email: srp at internode.on.net
> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
> Skype: steve1963
> Twitter: steve9782
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 10:26:08 +0100
> From: "Rafal Charlampowicz" <rafalchar at gmail.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Article: Primpo to introduce 'Isonic',
> its revolutionary white cane for the visually impaired
> Message-ID: <4C1266C5949F4889B86A3AEBDA680F17 at rafalh>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> I have some doubts concerning ultrasounds, but the colour detector is a
> very
> interesting idea.
>
> --
> Greetings
> Rafal
> http://www.bariery.ug.edu.pl/english/orientacja.html
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Pattison" <srp at internode.on.net>
> To: "Access L" <access-l at access-l.com>; "CUG Members" <Members at bcacug.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:19 AM
> Subject: [gui-talk] Fwd: Article: Primpo to introduce 'Isonic',its
> revolutionary white cane for the visually impaired
>
>
>> From: Red Wolf
>>
>> http://us.aving.net/news/view.php?articleId0585
>>
>> Primpo to introduce 'Isonic', its revolutionary white cane for the
>> visually impaired
>> [ Joshua 2010-03-22 ]
>>
>> SEOUL, Korea (AVING Special Report on 'Hong Kong Electronics Fair
>> 2010') -- <Visual News> Primpo Co., Ltd. (CEO Jai Kim, www.primpo.com)
>> will introduce its revolutionary new cane product for the visually
>> impaired, "Isonic", at the Hong Kong Electronics Fair, to be held for
>> four
>> days from April 13 to 16, 2010. The company will participate in the
>> exhibition as part of a project initiated by the district administration
>> of Gangnam-gu, to assist Korean firms in their overseas marketing
>> activities.
>>
>> Unlike conventional white canes, with which a user can not detect
>> obstacles above waist height, the "Isonic" model can detect obstacles
>> within a range of 25 degrees horizontally and 50 degrees vertically with
>> an integrated supersonic sensor.
>>
>> The product can also detect obstacles within a distance of 2 meters,
>> as well as very slim objects, narrower than 3cm. With decreasing distance
>> to an object, the cane's vibrating indicator sends a stronger signal to
>> the user, pinpointing the location of the obstacle.
>>
>> A feature to inform a visually impaired user of an object's color
>> draws special attention. With a color sensor attached, the user is
>> informed by voice messages of 10 detectable colors and their brightness,
>> including red, orange and blue.
>>
>> Field tests conducted with 15 people in September of 2009 yielded
>> very satisfying results.
>>
>> The CEO of Primpo, Jai Kim, said, "The ultimate functionality of the
>> "Isonic" is to allow the visually impaired to move around freely without
>> having to rely on a conventional cane. Prior to developing this product,
>> we conducted a survey with more than 600 handicapped students and
>> teachers. Among others, the color indication feature drew the most
>> attention."
>>
>>
>>
>> (Photo Caption: Ultrasonic and color sensors mounted)
>>
>>
>>
>> (Photo Caption: Button for power, color and contrast)
>>
>> Regards Steve
>> Email: srp at internode.on.net
>> MSN Messenger: internetuser383 at hotmail.com
>> Skype: steve1963
>> Twitter: steve9782
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> gui-talk mailing list
>> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> gui-talk:
>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/rafalchar%40gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 19:38:12 -0500
> From: "Steve Jacobson" <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
> Message-ID: <auto-000145571141 at mailfront1.g2host.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> That was changed with a later version of the NLS Player's firmware. You
> can now have multiple books, but some
> machines may require a firmware update to get this capability.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:21 -0500, Don H wrote:
>
>>You can only have one book on the thumb drive or cartridge at a time.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>Behalf Of Kris Hickerson
>>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:05 PM
>>To: gui-talk
>>Subject: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
>>Hi Again Everyone,
>
>>I know this is considered off topic, but I don't know where else to go for
>>this question.
>
>>I have put 4 books on a cartridge for the NLS player. They are in the
>>root
>>directory of the cartridge and, when I put the cartridge in the player, it
>>tells me there are four books. However, it will only read the first book
>>and no matter what I try I cannot get to the other three. If I use
>>forward
>>and backward, it just takes me to beginning and end of book, but I cannot
>>locate a list of the books on the cartridge to select the one I want.
>
>>What have I done wrong?
>
>>Thanks for any help.
>
>>Kris
>
>
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/lmddh50%40comcast.
>>net
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobson%40visi.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 08:52:10 -0400
> From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
> To: "gui talk" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [gui-talk] A Thunderbird Question
> Message-ID: <10883659267D4C44A131EF18A5A16C38 at cindy2e65cf610>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> I installed Thunderbird on my Windows 7 Starter Net Book. I like the
> program, but haven't been able to figure out how to import addresses from
> Windows Live Mail or my Outlook Express Address Book, from my desktop
> computer. Is it possible to do this?
>
> Cindy
>
> "Determine that the thing can and shall be done, and then...find the way."
> Abraham Lincoln
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 09:52:47 -0400
> From: "Good, John" <John.Good at city.pittsburgh.pa.us>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
> Message-ID:
> <052F3B90F6729E4194C17D4BA21BFDC608D86306 at pgh0025.city.pittsburgh.pa.us>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Someone on the list mentioned that the play can play MP3 files. I tried
> that last night. It did work, the book list didn't even mention the
> MP3 file as an option to play.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
> That was changed with a later version of the NLS Player's firmware. You
> can now have multiple books, but some
> machines may require a firmware update to get this capability.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:21 -0500, Don H wrote:
>
>>You can only have one book on the thumb drive or cartridge at a time.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>>Behalf Of Kris Hickerson
>>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:05 PM
>>To: gui-talk
>>Subject: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
>>Hi Again Everyone,
>
>>I know this is considered off topic, but I don't know where else to go
> for
>>this question.
>
>>I have put 4 books on a cartridge for the NLS player. They are in the
> root
>>directory of the cartridge and, when I put the cartridge in the player,
> it
>>tells me there are four books. However, it will only read the first
> book
>>and no matter what I try I cannot get to the other three. If I use
> forward
>>and backward, it just takes me to beginning and end of book, but I
> cannot
>>locate a list of the books on the cartridge to select the one I want.
>
>>What have I done wrong?
>
>>Thanks for any help.
>
>>Kris
>
>
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/lmddh50%40com
> cast.
>>net
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso
> n%40visi.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/john.good%40ci
> ty.pittsburgh.pa.us
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 11:00:38 -0400
> From: Ted Shelly <tshelly at optonline.net>
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List' <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
> Message-ID: <00f801cacb62$c3ed1ad0$4bc75070$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> The mp3 files must be in a folder called " Audio+Podcasts". And
> apparently
> the capitalization of the words is important. You can put as many MP3s
> into
> that folder as you like. The folder will be one of the books in your
> bookshelf, titled "audio files" when you press and hold the play key to
> get
> to the bookshelf.
>
> Ted Shelly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Good, John
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:53 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
> Someone on the list mentioned that the play can play MP3 files. I tried
> that last night. It did work, the book list didn't even mention the
> MP3 file as an option to play.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
> That was changed with a later version of the NLS Player's firmware. You
> can now have multiple books, but some
> machines may require a firmware update to get this capability.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:21 -0500, Don H wrote:
>
>>You can only have one book on the thumb drive or cartridge at a time.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>>Behalf Of Kris Hickerson
>>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:05 PM
>>To: gui-talk
>>Subject: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
>>Hi Again Everyone,
>
>>I know this is considered off topic, but I don't know where else to go
> for
>>this question.
>
>>I have put 4 books on a cartridge for the NLS player. They are in the
> root
>>directory of the cartridge and, when I put the cartridge in the player,
> it
>>tells me there are four books. However, it will only read the first
> book
>>and no matter what I try I cannot get to the other three. If I use
> forward
>>and backward, it just takes me to beginning and end of book, but I
> cannot
>>locate a list of the books on the cartridge to select the one I want.
>
>>What have I done wrong?
>
>>Thanks for any help.
>
>>Kris
>
>
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/lmddh50%40com
> cast.
>>net
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso
> n%40visi.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/john.good%40ci
> ty.pittsburgh.pa.us
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/tshelly%40optonlin
> e.net
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 12:31:50 -0400
> From: "Good, John" <John.Good at city.pittsburgh.pa.us>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
> Message-ID:
> <052F3B90F6729E4194C17D4BA21BFDC608D8630A at pgh0025.city.pittsburgh.pa.us>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Thanks, I'll give this a try tonight.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Ted Shelly
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:01 AM
> To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
> The mp3 files must be in a folder called " Audio+Podcasts". And
> apparently
> the capitalization of the words is important. You can put as many MP3s
> into
> that folder as you like. The folder will be one of the books in your
> bookshelf, titled "audio files" when you press and hold the play key to
> get
> to the bookshelf.
>
> Ted Shelly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Good, John
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:53 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
> Someone on the list mentioned that the play can play MP3 files. I tried
> that last night. It did work, the book list didn't even mention the
> MP3 file as an option to play.
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:38 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
> That was changed with a later version of the NLS Player's firmware. You
> can now have multiple books, but some
> machines may require a firmware update to get this capability.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve
>
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:40:21 -0500, Don H wrote:
>
>>You can only have one book on the thumb drive or cartridge at a time.
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On
>>Behalf Of Kris Hickerson
>>Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 12:05 PM
>>To: gui-talk
>>Subject: [gui-talk] NLS Player
>
>>Hi Again Everyone,
>
>>I know this is considered off topic, but I don't know where else to go
> for
>>this question.
>
>>I have put 4 books on a cartridge for the NLS player. They are in the
> root
>>directory of the cartridge and, when I put the cartridge in the player,
> it
>>tells me there are four books. However, it will only read the first
> book
>>and no matter what I try I cannot get to the other three. If I use
> forward
>>and backward, it just takes me to beginning and end of book, but I
> cannot
>>locate a list of the books on the cartridge to select the one I want.
>
>>What have I done wrong?
>
>>Thanks for any help.
>
>>Kris
>
>
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/lmddh50%40com
> cast.
>>net
>
>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gui-talk mailing list
>>gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
>>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/steve.jacobso
> n%40visi.com
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/john.good%40ci
> ty.pittsburgh.pa.us
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/tshelly%40opto
> nlin
> e.net
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> gui-talk:
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/options/gui-talk_nfbnet.org/john.good%40ci
> ty.pittsburgh.pa.us
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> gui-talk mailing list
> gui-talk at nfbnet.org
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/gui-talk_nfbnet.org
>
>
> End of gui-talk Digest, Vol 71, Issue 25
> ****************************************
>
More information about the GUI-Talk
mailing list