[gui-talk] VoiceOver -- was: Re: Microsoft security essentials

Mon Jul 12 23:20:12 UTC 2010

Iwork is a separate suite that you would need to purchase, but, it's cheaper than Microsoft Office, which also must be purchased.
On Jul 11, 2010, at 12:10 PM, Joel Deutsch wrote:

> The you once said that the Java-based one was a bear to operate with VO. So 
> it seems that if I get a Mac Book, and I'm going to the trouble to learn a 
> whole new O.S. and its keystrokes in the first place, wouldn't the first of 
> those two you list above fit the bill? And does it come preloaded with a new 
> Mac Book, instead of having to be purchased?
> 
> Thanks.
> rig
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy at charter.net>
> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 8:09 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] VoiceOver -- was: Re: Microsoft security essentials
> 
> 
> Both iwork and open office have what you are looking for, open office is a 
> java based program, it's keyboard commands actually are similar to Microsoft 
> Word rather than standard mac keyboard commands.
> On Jul 10, 2010, at 9:38 PM, Joel Deutsch wrote:
> 
>> Mike,
>> I've listened to part of one of your most recent podcasts, and I seem to
>> remember you saying that one of these, below, is a Java-based program and
>> pretty difficult or impossible to use with VO. No? And I'm not asking just
>> about opening Word docs. I'm concerned about being able to *create*
>> documents compatible with Word, and using a program that has at least some
>> of the bells and whistles of Word, and not just something like Notepad 
>> that
>> has the ability to open a Word doc. Know what I'm saying?
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy at charter.net>
>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] VoiceOver -- was: Re: Microsoft security 
>> essentials
>> 
>> 
>> Microsoft Word itself is not accessible, but there are at least 3
>> alternatives. Text edit, which comes with the mac will open and save word
>> documents. You could also use iwork, which is Apple's office suite, 
>> finally
>> there is open office which also handles Word documents, all of these are
>> accessible.
>> On Jul 10, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Joel Deutsch wrote:
>> 
>>> Can you successfully use MS Word (for Mac, I presume) with Voice Over? 
>>> How
>>> much goes it cost to buy and install Word on a Mac?
>>> Joel
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 11:24 AM
>>> Subject: [gui-talk] VoiceOver -- was: Re: Microsoft security essentials
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I heard that VO is nice in that it gives almost full access out of the
>>> box,
>>> but that the process of getting things done is a little more cumbersome 
>>> on
>>> the mac -- more keystrokes and key combinations to learn.
>>> Can VO be scripted or trained to do some common things quickly in 
>>> specific
>>> applications?
>>> --le
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at comcast.net>
>>> To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 10:22 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Microsoft security essentials
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Frankly, It's way more than a mere screen reader.  Voice Over is built
>>> right
>>> in to the operating system.  If you want to really get a good idea of the
>>> things you can do with the Mac, I'd go here to listen to Mike's wonderful
>>> work on it:
>>> 
>>> www.blindcooltech.com
>>> 
>>> There, you'll find all the information you need; well, most all of it
>>> anyhow.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> E-Mail:
>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Jul 10, 2010, at 9:32 AM, Don H wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So not knowing much about Apple Mac's it contains a built in speech syn?
>>>> One that is as useful as a stand alone screen reader?
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] 
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:05 AM
>>>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Microsoft security essentials
>>>> 
>>>> Frankly, I'd have to agree with Mike.  IF you feel you must continue to
>>>> run
>>>> Windows, (for what ever strange reason), Just couldn't resist 
>>>> that...yes,
>>>> Microsoft Security Essentials is indeed a good solution.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>>> 
>>>> E-Mail:
>>>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>>>> Skype Name:
>>>> barefootedray
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 10, 2010, at 12:09 AM, Mike Freeman wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You bet!
>>>>> M
>>>>> ike
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: " Don H" <lmddh50 at comcast.net>
>>>>> To: "GUI Talk" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:06 AM
>>>>> Subject: [gui-talk] Microsoft security essentials
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> So is this Microsoft security essentials a good choice for protection
>>>> using
>>>>>> a screeen reader?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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