[gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

Thu May 14 15:41:30 UTC 2009

that's a completely reasonable idea! Seriously. I might even convert.
.,
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

It's all about risk theory.  If you have all of your folders under your in
box if something happens to it so goes your folders.  Why not spread the
risk?

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:37 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

Well, I've never had a problem until just now.

you mean if you keep some messages from this mailing list, you create a
GUI-Talk folder under Local Folders, at the same level as drafts and sent
items and Outbox and so forth. I'm aware that people do that. It seems fine
to me. I just have this conventional thing about having my Griffith folder
at the next level down, under Inbox. It's really a pretty arbitrary choice,
just very conventional in a way, as if a saved message from you simply moved

from its first stop in the Inbox to the slot where Inbox/Griffith things are

kept. and I'm positive your method's as good as anything else. Except, as I
said, I wasn't having trouble with the inbox, have never lost any messages
from any of that. I just had this Sent Items issue.

conveniotonal,ritffith dotiems ou ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

I arrange my folders outside the in box in line with sent, drafts, and
deleted items.  They function more independently this way and aren't as
vulnerable to one folders becoming corrupt.  I figure my in box is apt to
get the most ware and tare so I keep it separate.  In ten years I've had to
replace it twice but I didn't lose messages I'd saved for a long time.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:01 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: [gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

Pam,
I'm sorry. I did lose all my Sent Items, which wasn't ideal, but I can
understand your being even more hassled by your Inbox event. Sorry. I hope
that wasn't everything in every subfolder of your inbox, if you've got your
Inbox arranged anything like the way I've got mine. With just
recently-arrived messages in the right panel, and a whole tree list of
saved messages in various folders running down the left panel, like folders
beneath a c drive.

Hope you survive this one. Much sympathy!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George and Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Well, it's even worse when your inbox empties out all by itself.  I had
compacted messages, and then it did something strange, and then there was
nothing in there.  I tried to restore it from the compacted messages, but
then the inbox file that was compacted disappeared.  I don't know what I did
wrong in trying to restore it.  Pam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

> P.S.
>
> For some reason, fir time it ever happened, my Sent Items in Outlook
> Express, quite a lot of items, disappeared a couple of minutes ago except
> for a random couple of emails I sent out months ago. I'm totally
> mystified,
> as I don't understand anything about these special files and file
> extensions
> that are the reality of OE messages. I'm not too distraught, because I
> just
> keep the sent items kind of reflexively, as if I'll ever refer to most of
> them again. But still it's spooky.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> No No.  You defined the context of my answer with your question.  You
> asked
> about the microsoft site specifically.  I answered you within the context
> of
> your question see below, I'll cut your question out and paste it right
> here.
> Now, here it is.  Look at what you asked?  My answer was quite logical
> given
> what you asked.
> " So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
> Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows leads
> me?
> Tjat sounds easy enough."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:33 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> oh. I did not know you were assuming that. I really didn't. You don't say
> say anything referring to it in your comments. That may not matter to you,
> but for me it disconnected your remarks from anything directly to do with
> the MS site. You could, for instance, have said I'd see advertising all
> over
>
> the MS site. But you didn't waste a few keystrokes to fill out what you
> mean, and depending on some sort of telepathy. Now I know what you thought
> I
>
> ought to have inferred. It's about writing. About what you say and what
> you
> don't say. Thanks.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Jole, your question supposed you'd be looking on the microsoft site.  My
> answer taking that in to account was there'd be advertising all over
> meaning
> the site.  You must have forgotten your question.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> Please, let me ask this one more time. I'm not asking where to get it. I'm
> notasking where to find tutorials on how to use it. Not in this question.
> In
>
> this question, I'm only asking, again, where do you suppose I will shortly
> be seeing mucho advertising for this product? You hav3e not said. Will it
> be
>
> mentioned on every New York Times article page, is that what you mean? Or
> when I go to the Amazon home page, it will be there right with all the
> department links and the Hi Joel greetting? Or what? I'm trying to figure
> out where you mean. The advertising.
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Yes.  You'll probably see lots of advertising for it since it's new.  You
> might also get the same availability through your windows update feature.
> A
> link should come up saying review other updates or something like that.
> If
> you go the route of the Ms. Web site once you press the download link
> you'll
> see all kinds of informational material before tha actual download link.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:47 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
> Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows leads
> me?
> Tjat sounds easy enough.
> .
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Often you'll find what's new facts in one of the first files in the
> program's help files.  In the case of I.E. they offer them on the way to
> the
> download and  again when the new version first opens.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:51 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> albert,
>
> Please explain where one finds these explanations about the new version,
> the
>
> notes and the articles. I'm not familiar with where to look for those
> things. Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> I didn't say at work I said for work which means the origin of that work
> isn't relevant.  If you upgrade as the new versions are released the
> learning curve is less than it would be if you waited two or three
> versions.
> To make an informed decision I'd think reading the release notes would be
> a
> plus.  Then I'd look at articles relating to the reliability of the
> upgrade.
> If there are features you need upgrade.  An informed consumer is the
> wisest.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:50 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> Well, some of us consider what we do at home the equivalent of work, like
> me. I don't know enough about those accelerators you mentioned or anything
> besides supposedly more security (I thought they were always addressing
> that, with updates) and if I have to take hours of time learning to use
> this
>
> thing just so I can keep living, I'm not eager to do that until I
> absolutely
>
> have to.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Keep in mind 8 has the ability to operate as 7 under conditions you can
> define.  This allows you to take advantage of new technologies and revert
> to
> older means when necessary.  If no one uses it we won't get the newer web
> 2.0 and other tech innovations developed because people won't be using
> them.
> It's a difficult decision but someone has to do it.  I wouldn't upgrade if
> I
> needed the browser for work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:34 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> All versions of IE 8 will not work with JAWS 8. IE 8 only works partially
> with JAWS 9.  Even with JAWS 10 you have problems.  If you are blind do
> not
> upgrade to IE 8 until they work out the kinks in the program.  IE 8 is
> new,
> you should not be the guinee pig for new technology.
>
> Not that many webmasters know how to utilize the new accessibility
> features
> in IE 8 and given the general lack of accessibility in websites to begin
> with, why should you expect better?
>
> But if you do want to keep IE 8 you could try using WebAnywhere which is
> an
> ARIA based screen reader.  Other than that you are out of luck.
>
> James
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM, albert griffith <
> albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> When you say uninstall IE 8 do you mean Yahoo's version or any version?
>> thanks
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of James Pepper
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58 PM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>>
>> IE 8 uses the new system called ARIA which is a method of describing form
>> fields under a new standard for accessibility. It makes it possible for
>> people to claim they are making their content accessible using AJAX but
>> they
>> don't have to think about the practical aspects of accessible design.
> The
>> problem is nobody really knows how to design for this yet and so even
>> though
>> JAWS 10 is designed to work in this new format, they have not worked out
>> all
>> the bugs.  IE 8 does not work with JAWS 8 and has serious limitations
>> with
>> JAWS 9.
>>
>> The unfortunate thing is that Yahoo has completely disregarded the blind
>> and
>> forced IE 8 upon all of its customers.  You have to uninstall IE 8 to get
>> your screen readers to work properly, that is the only solution.
>>
>> The big problem here is that designers cannot design webpages for
>> accessibility under the old standards, they are hardly going to be able
>> to
>> do it for the new standards.
>>
>> James Pepper
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