[gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

Thu May 14 14:19:04 UTC 2009

It's all about risk theory.  If you have all of your folders under your in
box if something happens to it so goes your folders.  Why not spread the
risk?  

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:37 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

Well, I've never had a problem until just now.

you mean if you keep some messages from this mailing list, you create a 
GUI-Talk folder under Local Folders, at the same level as drafts and sent 
items and Outbox and so forth. I'm aware that people do that. It seems fine 
to me. I just have this conventional thing about having my Griffith folder 
at the next level down, under Inbox. It's really a pretty arbitrary choice, 
just very conventional in a way, as if a saved message from you simply moved

from its first stop in the Inbox to the slot where Inbox/Griffith things are

kept. and I'm positive your method's as good as anything else. Except, as I 
said, I wasn't having trouble with the inbox, have never lost any messages 
from any of that. I just had this Sent Items issue.

conveniotonal,ritffith dotiems ou ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

I arrange my folders outside the in box in line with sent, drafts, and
deleted items.  They function more independently this way and aren't as
vulnerable to one folders becoming corrupt.  I figure my in box is apt to
get the most ware and tare so I keep it separate.  In ten years I've had to
replace it twice but I didn't lose messages I'd saved for a long time.

-----Original Message-----
From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 3:01 PM
To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
Subject: [gui-talk] Disappearing OE messages (was An I.E. 8 inquiry)

Pam,
I'm sorry. I did lose all my Sent Items, which wasn't ideal, but I can
understand your being even more hassled by your Inbox event. Sorry. I hope
that wasn't everything in every subfolder of your inbox, if you've got your
Inbox arranged anything like the way I've got mine. With just
recently-arrived messages in the right panel, and a whole tree list of
saved messages in various folders running down the left panel, like folders
beneath a c drive.

Hope you survive this one. Much sympathy!
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "George and Pamela Dominguez" <geodom at optonline.net>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

Well, it's even worse when your inbox empties out all by itself.  I had
compacted messages, and then it did something strange, and then there was
nothing in there.  I tried to restore it from the compacted messages, but
then the inbox file that was compacted disappeared.  I don't know what I did
wrong in trying to restore it.  Pam.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Deutsch" <jdeutsch at dslextreme.com>
To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:

> P.S.
>
> For some reason, fir time it ever happened, my Sent Items in Outlook
> Express, quite a lot of items, disappeared a couple of minutes ago except
> for a random couple of emails I sent out months ago. I'm totally
> mystified,
> as I don't understand anything about these special files and file
> extensions
> that are the reality of OE messages. I'm not too distraught, because I
> just
> keep the sent items kind of reflexively, as if I'll ever refer to most of
> them again. But still it's spooky.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 7:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> No No.  You defined the context of my answer with your question.  You
> asked
> about the microsoft site specifically.  I answered you within the context
> of
> your question see below, I'll cut your question out and paste it right
> here.
> Now, here it is.  Look at what you asked?  My answer was quite logical
> given
> what you asked.
> " So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
> Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows leads
> me?
> Tjat sounds easy enough."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:33 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> oh. I did not know you were assuming that. I really didn't. You don't say
> say anything referring to it in your comments. That may not matter to you,
> but for me it disconnected your remarks from anything directly to do with
> the MS site. You could, for instance, have said I'd see advertising all
> over
>
> the MS site. But you didn't waste a few keystrokes to fill out what you
> mean, and depending on some sort of telepathy. Now I know what you thought
> I
>
> ought to have inferred. It's about writing. About what you say and what
> you
> don't say. Thanks.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Jole, your question supposed you'd be looking on the microsoft site.  My
> answer taking that in to account was there'd be advertising all over
> meaning
> the site.  You must have forgotten your question.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:59 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> Please, let me ask this one more time. I'm not asking where to get it. I'm
> notasking where to find tutorials on how to use it. Not in this question.
> In
>
> this question, I'm only asking, again, where do you suppose I will shortly
> be seeing mucho advertising for this product? You hav3e not said. Will it
> be
>
> mentioned on every New York Times article page, is that what you mean? Or
> when I go to the Amazon home page, it will be there right with all the
> department links and the Hi Joel greetting? Or what? I'm trying to figure
> out where you mean. The advertising.
> Thanks.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 10:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Yes.  You'll probably see lots of advertising for it since it's new.  You
> might also get the same availability through your windows update feature.
> A
> link should come up saying review other updates or something like that.
> If
> you go the route of the Ms. Web site once you press the download link
> you'll
> see all kinds of informational material before tha actual download link.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 9:47 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> So I just have to go to Microsoft.com, look for a link to Downloads or
> Upgrades or something like that, and just keep going where my knows leads
> me?
> Tjat sounds easy enough.
> .
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 5:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Often you'll find what's new facts in one of the first files in the
> program's help files.  In the case of I.E. they offer them on the way to
> the
> download and  again when the new version first opens.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 7:51 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> albert,
>
> Please explain where one finds these explanations about the new version,
> the
>
> notes and the articles. I'm not familiar with where to look for those
> things. Thanks.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> I didn't say at work I said for work which means the origin of that work
> isn't relevant.  If you upgrade as the new versions are released the
> learning curve is less than it would be if you waited two or three
> versions.
> To make an informed decision I'd think reading the release notes would be
> a
> plus.  Then I'd look at articles relating to the reliability of the
> upgrade.
> If there are features you need upgrade.  An informed consumer is the
> wisest.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 4:50 PM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> Well, some of us consider what we do at home the equivalent of work, like
> me. I don't know enough about those accelerators you mentioned or anything
> besides supposedly more security (I thought they were always addressing
> that, with updates) and if I have to take hours of time learning to use
> this
>
> thing just so I can keep living, I'm not eager to do that until I
> absolutely
>
> have to.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 12:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
>
> Keep in mind 8 has the ability to operate as 7 under conditions you can
> define.  This allows you to take advantage of new technologies and revert
> to
> older means when necessary.  If no one uses it we won't get the newer web
> 2.0 and other tech innovations developed because people won't be using
> them.
> It's a difficult decision but someone has to do it.  I wouldn't upgrade if
> I
> needed the browser for work.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of James Pepper
> Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 2:34 AM
> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>
> All versions of IE 8 will not work with JAWS 8. IE 8 only works partially
> with JAWS 9.  Even with JAWS 10 you have problems.  If you are blind do
> not
> upgrade to IE 8 until they work out the kinks in the program.  IE 8 is
> new,
> you should not be the guinee pig for new technology.
>
> Not that many webmasters know how to utilize the new accessibility
> features
> in IE 8 and given the general lack of accessibility in websites to begin
> with, why should you expect better?
>
> But if you do want to keep IE 8 you could try using WebAnywhere which is
> an
> ARIA based screen reader.  Other than that you are out of luck.
>
> James
>
> On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 4:51 PM, albert griffith <
> albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> When you say uninstall IE 8 do you mean Yahoo's version or any version?
>> thanks
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of James Pepper
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 3:58 PM
>> To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] An I.E. 8 inquiry:
>>
>> IE 8 uses the new system called ARIA which is a method of describing form
>> fields under a new standard for accessibility. It makes it possible for
>> people to claim they are making their content accessible using AJAX but
>> they
>> don't have to think about the practical aspects of accessible design.
> The
>> problem is nobody really knows how to design for this yet and so even
>> though
>> JAWS 10 is designed to work in this new format, they have not worked out
>> all
>> the bugs.  IE 8 does not work with JAWS 8 and has serious limitations
>> with
>> JAWS 9.
>>
>> The unfortunate thing is that Yahoo has completely disregarded the blind
>> and
>> forced IE 8 upon all of its customers.  You have to uninstall IE 8 to get
>> your screen readers to work properly, that is the only solution.
>>
>> The big problem here is that designers cannot design webpages for
>> accessibility under the old standards, they are hardly going to be able
>> to
>> do it for the new standards.
>>
>> James Pepper
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