[gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

Tue Dec 16 21:02:37 UTC 2008

Actually, the problem is that there are too many variables.  For example, you can set Google, or at least you could, to cause the link you follow in the search results 
to open in a new window.  If that option was set, BACKSPACE or ALT LEFT ARROW would not work because you would already be as far back as you could be in 
that window.  You would have to press ALT F4 or maybe CONTROL-W to close that window.  This is a part of browsing, that is true, but it could have been affected 
by a Google option.  Some settings get 
applied if you do your searching after logging in using a google account.  I gather that some people may routinely do that to allow themselves to change options and 
have them stick.  It could be that those were the people who experienced a change.  It is not always simple to find an answer, especially when those involved may 
not even realize some of these variables.  For example, if you sign on to Google once, it is possible to get signed on within your account automatically.  Anyway, we 
have to try to have patience with each other.

On Tue, 16 Dec 2008 08:51:14 -0800, Joel Deutsch wrote:

>I got that by inference eventually even though I must have not realized what 
>he was complaining about, I mean the connection he was mistakenly making 
>(just because you start from a link Google has given you doesn't mean that 
>what happens then has anything to do with Google's search function) until a 
>long time later, when the few people who had tried without even getting any 
>response had mentioned like, umm, well, I think they offered a new toolbar a 
>couple of weeks ago or something...

>What a merry-go-round that was. it was just about Web browsing, not about 
>Google. So shoot me for getting confused. I believed the subject line meant 
>what it said, kinda. :-)
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:23 AM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>You have to read the whole message.  The person goes on to say he can't get
>out of the page he's been sent to with the backspace key as people usually
>can.  He thinks this has something to do with that the search procedure has
>changed.  It doesn't but he thinks so.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 2:43 AM
>To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>P.S.

>I just reread the subject line of this thread, and it's says "Google has
>changed and searches are now difficult!" Now, doesn't that sound very much
>like "Google search has changed and now searches are difficult?" I'd still
>ask, "difficult in what way?" But it doesn't sound like it has anything to
>do with the backspace key. In fact, what does the bakckspace key have to do
>with anything, anyway? Does the person actually mean the Back command, or
>Alt left arrow? They can't get back from one Web page to the one from which
>they just came? What would that have to do with Google Search? I'm really
>confuddled, as my bright 12-year-old friend said to me today about something

>else. I think I'll go to bed. It's going on midnight out here on the West
>Coast.
>From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:31 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>If you decide it's important again it's a thirty second operation.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 12:10 AM
>To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>yeah, I did all that stuff. Believe me. It's not worth my messing with
>anymore. I really do know what you're talking about, though. don't have time

>to mess with this stuff anymore. Life's too short. Knocking wood on that
>one, these days.
>Knowcking wyknow wanyj
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "albert griffith" <albertgriffith at sbcglobal.net>
>To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:32 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>Usually when people can't get Gmail to come to their in boxes it's because
>they haven't enabled pop from the settings on the web page.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>Behalf Of Joel Deutsch
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:22 PM
>To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>I didn't notice anything, either. I've already got a blocker working in IE
>7, and I some time ago invited somewhat personalized search results ordering

>by subscribing for a Google Mail account, which I don't actually use because

>I hate their online interface, and although I did indeed study up at the
>Fred's Head companion page recommended by Top Tech Tidbits and follow the
>directions carefully, I can't get it to work right using POP3 and my OE. I
>don't really care. It was just a goof, for remaining extra anonymous in the
>cyberworld sometimes. No big deal.

>Anyway, I haven't encountered some sort of new problem, either. Ggoogle is
>googling along just fine for me.
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "tribble" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 2:10 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>neither did i
>--le

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>To: "NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:40 PM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>HMMM ... I never saw that!

>Mike

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Yolanda" <nmcb at zianet.com>
>To: "'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'" <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:28 AM
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now
>difficult

>Actually he is right, but you had to OK the change.  A few days ago
>google
>asked if you wanted them to employ the change, I did and it did
>change--i.e.
>using their pop-up blocker, the way searches were displayed etc. but
>turn it
>off under view toolbars and it'll be back to normal.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On
>Behalf Of albert griffith
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:55 AM
>To: 'NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now
>difficult

>I can't tell you what's wrong but the problem doesn't lie with Google.
>I
>use it often and that doesn't happen to me.  You may begin by checking
>your
>search settings.  Also, if you're running the latest version of jaws you
>may
>have the new auto forms feature enabled and not set properly.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>On
>Behalf Of plume
>Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:50 AM
>To: NFBnet GUI Talk Mailing List
>Subject: [gui-talk] google has changed and searches are now difficult

>Hello everyone,
>I have always enjoyed using Google and has always found the information
>which I have searched for easy.

>Google has changed and I find it very difficult to find the information
>which I have been searching for.

>Did Google make a big change or did some of my settinhgs cause this
>problem?

>Sometime Google will only provide me with one choice and I cannot get
>out of
>that site by pressing the back space key.

>Can someone provide some info on my problem?

>Thanks, Tom Blume
>Voice mail: 206-312-7844

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