[stylist] consternation! and befuddlement!<sp>

Sat Mar 28 00:47:04 UTC 2009

JC

Thanks for the praise.  I know on eother agent in the area actually.  He has been at the biz far longer and makes more money than a federal reserve printing press.        The largest challanges are not vision related, no marketing is what gets me!

anyway i'm not sure what you mean by blindness methods?
I mean i can use a cane, read braille, and so forth.  But is there a method to replace say looking at a pretty girl, or a green tree or <fill in blank>.    I'm not trying to get anyone down and i'm not complaining.  I've got low vision and i deal but if i could be rid of it...

Frank

--- On Thu, 3/26/09, James Canaday M.A. N6YR <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:

> From: James Canaday M.A. N6YR <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> Subject: Re: [stylist] consternation! and befuddlement!<sp>
> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 10:24 PM
> Frank,
> I don't think blindness is a severe disability, for one
> thing because there are more intense disabling conditions.
> in 2000 I acquired congestive heart failure, and it got
> much worse through 2004.  you want disablement, there
> ya' go.  there is nothing like cardiac fatigue, it is
> mental and physical.  and I couldn't walk around the
> block at the worst.
> 
> blindness by itself doesn't prevent us  from doing many
> things.  and some the goal can be achieved through
> alternative means.
> you are right, blindness shapes who we each are as persons.
>  it might make more difference that way than hair color or
> height.  but blindness has good and bad effects, brings
> strengths and inabilities.
> 
> I know you are hanging on to your limited vision.  but you
> have not been taught the blindness methods, have you?
> at least from my experience I think if you tried some of
> them you would appreciate them and find you could accomplish
> more.
> btw, kudos for your independent life and work.
> would you answer a question I have Frank: with your very
> low vision, how does that interact with being a realtor?  do
> you or anybody else know any blind realtors?
> jc
> 
> Jim Canaday M.A.
> Lawrence, KS
> 
> At 05:08 PM 3/26/2009, you wrote:
> 
> > Pardon but i'm still hugely confused.    
> Blindness is not a sever disability?    I guess that boils
> down to what you mean by disability.
> > 
> > 
> > For me, can i function with my poor sight?  yes
> > has it been a major factor in making me who i am
> today?  yes
> > Have i adapted?  yes
> > 
> > If a surgeon offered me a safe ethical procedure to
> repair all damage and give me 20/20 vision, would i take it?
>  Good grief yes!
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, helene ryles
> <dreamavdb at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: helene ryles
> <dreamavdb at googlemail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Does anyone want to be
> blind?
> > > To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing
> List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 11:43 AM
> > > Judith and Alan:
> > > Thanks for the advise. Dad was better then he was
> last
> > > year, but there
> > > is still a long way to go. I've accepted
> blindness.
> > >
> > > Yes, I think doctor's have got it wrong. I
> think that
> > > they see
> > > blindness as something to be cured from (if
> possible)
> > > because their
> > > perseption of blindness is of a severe disability
> which it
> > > isn't. With
> > > the right kind of training a blind person only
> has a minor
> > > disability
> > > not a severe one.
> > >
> > > Say take a child who is born with ROP who has
> EVERYTHING
> > > done to save
> > > what little vision they've got. They spend
> their
> > > childhood struggling
> > > with very severe sight loss but since the parents
> put such
> > > a lot of
> > > effort into saving that little sight, they want
> the child
> > > to be as
> > > 'normal' as possible which means no
> braille, no no
> > > cane. That kid is
> > > relying on their weakest sense. Then their retina
> detaches
> > > itself
> > > completely. They are no longer at the stage where
> braille
> > > can be
> > > learnt quite as easily. They are say in 11th
> grade and are
> > > supposed to
> > > be studying but now they have this problem of not
> being
> > > able use
> > > vision any more. Having to learn braille by
> touch. Having
> > > to learn
> > > long cane, all that on top of studying. If they
> fail then
> > > they might
> > > blame this on the sight lose, but that
> wouldn't be
> > > true. They failed
> > > because the family and their doctor clung too
> much on their
> > > sight. So
> > > once it went. Their whole way of life went too.
> > >
> > > If Their parents hadn't done that. Hadn't
> spent so
> > > much time and
> > > effort at the eye doctors to make the child have
> better
> > > vision. Put
> > > all that effort into learning braille, long cane,
> daily
> > > living etc...
> > > They really wouldn't have needed to fail.
> > >
> > > Of course a 3rd option could have been to have
> the best of
> > > both
> > > worlds. But that's another problem. The fact
> that so
> > > few low vision
> > > kids learn braille or other blind skills.
> > >
> > > Helene.
> > >
> > > On 26/03/2009, Judith Bron
> <jbron at optonline.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Perhaps we should be sending this thread to
> doctors.
> > > As medical
> > > > professionals they are committed to saving
> as much
> > > sight as possible.
> > > > According to this thread some of their
> treatments and
> > > procedures are wrong.
> > > > Do any of us have the right to tell them not
> to do
> > > what they strive to do?
> > > > Judith
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "James Canaday M.A. N6YR"
> > > <n6yr at sunflower.com>
> > > > To: "NFBnet Writer's Division
> Mailing
> > > List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:29 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [stylist] Does anyone want to
> be blind?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> yes,
> > > >> reading with my one squinty eye gave me
> headaches
> > > too.
> > > >> personally I think far far too often the
> educrats
> > > resort to "sight saving"
> > > >>
> > > >> techniques when they should push braille
> and other
> > > blindness methods and
> > > >> skills.
> > > >> jc
> > > >>
> > > >> Jim Canaday M.A.
> > > >> Lawrence, KS
> > > >>
> > > >> At 07:06 PM 3/25/2009, you wrote:
> > > >>>Jim: I can identify with that since I
> was glad
> > > to lose the rest of my
> > > >>>hearing for similar reasons. Being
> presurized
> > > into verbal
> > > >>>communication methods that I
> struggled with
> > > with powerful migrane
> > > >>>inducing hearing aids. Phew! I was
> glad when
> > > that was over.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>Helene
> > > >>>
> > > >>>On 26/03/2009, James Canaday M.A. 
> N6YR
> > > <n6yr at sunflower.com> wrote:
> > > >>> > once I became blind I was then
> taught
> > > braille and the audio reading
> > > >>> > methods.  that made reading
> much much
> > > more pleasurable and
> > > >>> > easier!  "sight
> saving" meant I
> > > was reading with my one squinty eye
> > > >>> > peering through jewelers'
> loop
> > > magnification lenses that came down in
> > > >>> > front of my glasses lense.  I
> would not
> > > have gone to college if I had
> > > >>> > not lost my sight at age
> thirteen.
> > > >>> > jc
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Jim Canaday M.A.
> > > >>> > Lawrence, KS
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > At 06:38 PM 3/25/2009, you
> wrote:
> > > >>> >>I wasn't really thinking
> of people
> > > already blind although I've heard
> > > >>> >>of blind people saying that
> blindness
> > > was the best thing that happened
> > > >>> >>to them. Wasn't that a
> line at the
> > > end of one of Robert's thought
> > > >>> >>provokers?
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>I was thinking more of
> sighted people
> > > with a disorder called BIID
> > > >>> >>where people want to be
> disabled:
> > > Usually amputee's but I've heard
> > > >>> >>some of them wanting to be
> deaf or
> > > blind.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>Also I know of someone who
> was born
> > > blind, regained his sight and is
> > > >>> >>now losing it again due to
> Glycoma and
> > > he says he is glad to be blind
> > > >>> >>as he says he was meant to
> be blind.
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>As for me, I make
> deafblindness part
> > > of my lifestyle. It's been a
> > > >>> >>concious choice for me to
> fully
> > > embrace being a deafblind person and
> > > >>> >>move on. It's not easy
> to begin
> > > with, but once one fully adapts it's
> > > >>> >>no big deal. I believe that
> humans are
> > > a very adaptible species that
> > > >>> >>can manage perfectly well
> minus one or
> > > two senses. It's not the
> > > >>> >>tragedy that people make of
> it.
> > > It's no worse or better then being
> > > >>> >>sighted. Just differance and
> it's
> > > the differances that are hard at
> > > >>> >>first, not the blindness
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>Helene
> > > >>> >>
> > > >>> >>On 25/03/2009,
> LoriStay at aol.com
> > > <LoriStay at aol.com> wrote:
> > > >>> >> > Not if they aren't
> there
> > > already.   What does wanting have to do
> > > >>> >> > with
> > > >>> >> > it?
> > > >>> >> > Lori
> > > >>> >> > In a message dated
> 3/24/09
> > > 8:15:48 PM, timber_wolf899 at yahoo.com
> > > >>> >> > writes:
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >> >> does anyone want
> to be
> > > blind?
> > > >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >> >>
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> >
> > > >>> >> > **************
> > > >>> >> > Feeling the pinch at
> the grocery
> > > store?  Make dinner for $10 or
> > > >>> >> > less.
> > >
> (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)
> > > >>> >> >
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