[stylist] "omniscient" professionals

Angela fowler fowlers at syix.com
Thu Mar 26 20:02:05 UTC 2009 

Its worse when they think they know your kids based on some obscure test
results and haven't even spent time with them.  

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Behalf Of Judith Bron
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 12:57 PM
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Again we are seeing another part of the "I" centered world.  Of course the
professionals know your kids better.  They meet with them a few hours a week
but they have the degree to back up their findings.  For generations parents
knew their kids well and I daresay did very well by them without the benefit
of pieces of paper telling the world that they were indeed qualified to
raise your child.  Special needs, regular kids without linmitations, it's
all the same.  They all know better.  Or so they perceive.  Judith
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From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
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Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:27 PM
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>I have a friend who told me once that there are two types of parents of 
>special needs children:  those who reject, and those who over protect.  
>In between those two there is a fine line.  I, as a parent of two such 
>children, have not found that line.  Sometimes I do one or the other 
>and sometimes I walk right down the middle.  I think most of the time 
>they just feel inadequate because the "professionals" are telling us 
>many things and we don't know which to believe.  Lots of 
>"professionals" treat parents like they are the most inferior part of 
>the team--the weakest link.  Sometimes it's hard to remember that we 
>know the ins and outs of the children more than the professionals.  
>They see their own part of that puzzle and we see the child.
> I moved the soap box in inside.  I'm stepping down now once again.
> Barbara
>
> If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  of 
> whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>
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> From: "Judith Bron" <jbron at optonline.net>
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 10:27 AM
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>> Let's not be too hard on parents who honestly think they are doing 
>> the best for their child.  They are operating under an erroneous premise.
>> That is why word has to get out that blind children have alternatives 
>> in learning available to them.  Using these alternatives their child 
>> can also become the best they are capable of.  Judith
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>> From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
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>> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:47 AM
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>>
>>> Here here!  They (the parents) either don't want to teach, or aren't 
>>> equipped to.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alan Wheeler
>>> Lincoln, Nebraska
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>>> From: "Barbara Hammel" <poetlori8 at msn.com>
>>> To: "NFBnet Writer's Division Mailing List" <stylist at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 10:54
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>>>
>>>> No. What you really have out there are parents who have no 
>>>> parameters for their children but they waste every teachable moment 
>>>> by ignoring the children because their own life is o so much more 
>>>> important.
>>>> Barbara
>>>>
>>>> If wisdom's ways you wisely seek, five things observe with care:  
>>>> of whom you speak, to whom you speak, and how and when and where.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "John Lee Clark" <johnlee at clarktouch.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 1:53 PM
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>>>> Subject: Re: [stylist] question
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>>>>> Judith:
>>>>>
>>>>> Unschooling doesn't result in kids growing up into adults who act 
>>>>> like they can get anything they want.  Life itself has very clear 
>>>>> and fixed parameters that my boys go up against every day, as as 
>>>>> we all humans do, they cope with this reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of this, my boys are very reasonable and sensible boys. 
>>>>> Sometimes
>>>>> they'd want something that's beyond our budget.  What we do is 
>>>>> have them be aware of the simple, real truth that we don't have 
>>>>> the money.  Then we sympathize with their desire to get it.  I 
>>>>> want some things I can't afford, too, so I genuinely empathize.  
>>>>> Then we discuss how we might still get it, by saving, or by saving 
>>>>> and looking for an used one instead of new.
>>>>> This
>>>>> is
>>>>> a great opportunity for them to make choices.  All of my boys have 
>>>>> saved up for stuff, and they are actually better than Adrean and I 
>>>>> are with our own savings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, many parents who don't use this complete mindful parenting 
>>>>> approach will surely find they have to set artificial parameters 
>>>>> and rules.
>>>>> Unschooling in part, mixed with the Victorian traditions, doesn't 
>>>>> work, because the premises are totally different.
>>>>>
>>>>> What does often contribute to adults acting most irresponsibly 
>>>>> comes from traditional schooling.  You look at any college, and 
>>>>> you'll notice that the freshmans, well, I won't describe in 
>>>>> graphic detail what a great majority of them do.  Much of the 
>>>>> real, actual learning they need to do to cope with real life is 
>>>>> delayed until they are out of their parents' houses.
>>>>> Only
>>>>> then
>>>>> do they catch up on all what they feel like they've been deprived 
>>>>> of, and they experiment madly and wildly, and it's often only then 
>>>>> they begin to figure out what they want to do in their lives.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unschooling is not for everyone, as it is a huge investment and 
>>>>> requires a whole shift in everything we do in our lives.  Also, 
>>>>> many parents are unwilling to regard their children as who they 
>>>>> really are.  Children are often viewed as second-class citizens, 
>>>>> or chattel.  Many parents, sadly, treat their friends and guests 
>>>>> better than they do their own children.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> true.
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it doesn't mean we think babies are born fully mature.  But it 
>>>>> does mean we believe they are born fully human with human feelings 
>>>>> and deserving of the same respect as we are.
>>>>>
>>>>> I encourage you to Goggle it up.  I am so glad that our Father in 
>>>>> Heaven led us to this, and this has brought much peace and joy to 
>>>>> our family.
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
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