[Reader-users] trial

David Evans drevans at bellsouth.net
Fri May 16 08:30:43 CDT 2008 

Dear All,

First of all, other countries do have banks and finance companies.  Who do 
you think is holding most of America's debt?
U.S.Laws have very little effect and reach outside the country and 
repossessing on default loans would be nearly impossible in a foreign 
country.
The NFB does not have the time or resources to go after someone who defaults 
on their loan.  This would take money away from people in our country and 
dilute the funds to the point that no one here could possiblely get what 
they need.
I thought about this since my first post to Will, when I suggested that he 
join the NFB and ask for a loan.
I realize now that I was mistaken.
Will should pursue the (R.I.B.) Royal Institute for the Blind in the U.K. 
and try to get them to establish such a fund based on donations from the 
U.K.
The World Blind Union, to which the NFB belongs, maybe should be the body to 
establish such a program with the help of others, internationally.
Perhaps the United Nations could play a role in this but with all of the 
corrupt officials in the U.N., I doubt it will happen.  They would likely 
only steal the money as they have done in so many other programs.
This is where the NFB philosophy comes in.  We need to infect people in 
other countries and spur them on to action by giving them good ideas and 
showing them how.
If we can do it, they can do it.  We can help them in their struggle, but we 
can not fight all of their fights for them.  They must win their own battles 
for independence and freedom.

David Evans, NFBF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacobk at cknet.co.za>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list" 
<reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 6:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial


> Not really complaining about anything, but doesn't the fact that it's the
> _national_ federation of the blind have something to do with the fact that 
> I
> don't think there are international members...?
>
> Stay well
>
> Jacob Kruger
> Blind Biker
> Skype: BlindZA
> '...Fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...'
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>
>
>> If loans are so hard to come by in foreign countries, have any of you
>> all outside the US thought of writing to Mark Mauer and see if there is
>> any chance the loan program could be expanded to NFB members in other
>> countries.  It can not do any harm and maybe he does not even know
>> things are as bad as you all are saying.  Be sure you go at it with a
>> positive additude.  Negativeness, like Will's will not get you anywhere.
>>
>>
>> Working for the summer, volenteering three days a week in the winter,
>> and a positive aditude got the job I have today.  I have held it for
>> about 22 years and started out just doing phones, but now my list is
>> about two feet or more long.
>>
>> Terry Powers
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dean mills [mailto:dm3209 at vodafone.net]
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:12 PM
>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>
>> also the borrowing is only for US people.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>
>>
>>> Foreign countries don't have banks or finance companies?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>
>>>
>>>> All I can say is, write to Jim G. or KNFB as a group and describe
>> your
>>>> idea.  All they can do is bring it to their board and either say, yes
>> or
>>>> no!  If you already have the phone, I do not see how it could go
>> wrong.
>>>> They might want to limit it to foreign countrys who do not have good
>>>> loan programs and tech support.  Good luck with the idea.
>>>>
>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dean mills [mailto:dm3209 at vodafone.net]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:01 AM
>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>
>>>> a lot of people in the UK get the n82 just for the phone:  the trial
>>>> could work well for them users.  my ideas are:
>>>> first you would start the aplication and then even get a tempoarry
>> key
>>>> like with talks even for 10 days.  what are poeples thoughts on this.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:22 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Will;
>>>>> Where is your logic?  To try this package, you would still need the
>>>> N82.
>>>>> Do you really think KNFB is going to let people take a delicate
>> thing
>>>>> like a cell phone out on tryal.  See if your area has a center that
>>>>> displays equipment for handicapped like the NFB does in Baltimore.
>> If
>>>>
>>>>> you can find one, you can go there and try out the phone and other
>>>>> equipment, as often as you want, before making you mind up.  I think
>>>>> the other package you mentioned was for a computer, so the tryal was
>>>>> only the software, but you had to provide the computer.  Also you
>>>>> could find a friend with a new reader.  Instead of complaining so
>>>>> much, try to find solutions that meet your needs.  KNFB is not going
>>>>> to change just for one person.
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Charlie Richardson [mailto:charlieofalbany at hotmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:21 PM
>>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>
>>>>> First you talk about rights, now you talk about being forced.  You
>>>>> have the right and probably should keep your money.  You are one
>> over
>>>>> the edge negative person.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "will lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com>
>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> can not a trial be made downloadable though?
>>>>>> what is the technical difficulties with this? kurzweil dont expect
>>>>>> you to shell out 1000 dollars for k1000 without trying it, so why
>> are
>>>>
>>>>>> they giving us loads of marketing over the top hype, and forcing us
>>>>>> to buy this product without trying it?
>>>>>> that's worrying business to me, considering all other blindness
>>>>>> related software companies as far as i know i.e. jaws, window eyes,
>>>>>> hal, etc, at least let you try the products
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 May 2008, at 16:40, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is just the reason why I am holding off until convention.
>>>>>>> There I
>>>>>>> can try it out, all I want.  They even have a night session, where
>>>>>>> just vendors show their products.  This is how I got my original
>>>>>>> reader
>>>>> and
>>>>>>> stand.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: will lomas [mailto:lomaswilliam at googlemail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:26 AM
>>>>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>>>>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> can a trial of the KNFB reader please be made we can just pay ten
>> or
>>>>
>>>>>>> twenty pounds or something for the pollerizers and then get a
>> thirty
>>>>
>>>>>>> day demo how on earth can most of you state o i'll buy it based on
>>>>>>> loads of advertising hype on a website?
>>>>>>> Surely as consumers we should be given the right to try the
>> software
>>>>
>>>>>>> as you can with k1000?
>>>>>>> just my thoughts
>>>>>>>
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