[Reader-users] trial

Steve Jacobson steve.jacobson at visi.com
Fri May 16 09:09:33 CDT 2008 

Even if one already owns the phone, there is the issue of the polarizers.  I don't know how expensive they are, but they have to be carefully installed.  If one tries the 
software without the polarizers, they won't get a fair trial.  Like you, Jan, I am not aware of anyone giving a ten day trial that includes a $400 device that would have 
to be returned.  

On Fri, 16 May 2008 04:11:46 -0500, Jan Bailey wrote:

>But there is the issue of the phone.  It might be doable if someone owned 
>the phone, but if not, that's a big expensive item to loan someone.  I've 
>never heard of a company loaning something like that.

>Jan
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Kevin Jones" <kevin at kevinrj.net>
>To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list" 
><reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 10:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial


>> If the authorization for the reader is simular to mobilespeak or talks I
>> think a x day trial could be very plausible. I think they should do it.
>> It could answer a lot of questions of, will it read this or that etc.
>>
>>
>> will lomas wrote:
>>> hi think a ten day trial may work. let's see what KNFB says. i note
>>> that jim is on this list yet he hasn't said a single thing on the
>>> trial issue
>>> maybe it's a good idea and he is opposed to good ideas?
>>> smiles
>>> let's see anyways we cant say fairer than that
>>>
>>> On 15 May 2008, at 11:59, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
>>>
>>>> If loans are so hard to come by in foreign countries, have any of you
>>>> all outside the US thought of writing to Mark Mauer and see if there
>>>> is
>>>> any chance the loan program could be expanded to NFB members in other
>>>> countries.  It can not do any harm and maybe he does not even know
>>>> things are as bad as you all are saying.  Be sure you go at it with a
>>>> positive additude.  Negativeness, like Will's will not get you
>>>> anywhere.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Working for the summer, volenteering three days a week in the winter,
>>>> and a positive aditude got the job I have today.  I have held it for
>>>> about 22 years and started out just doing phones, but now my list is
>>>> about two feet or more long.
>>>>
>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dean mills [mailto:dm3209 at vodafone.net]
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 6:12 PM
>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>
>>>> also the borrowing is only for US people.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Charlie Richardson" <charlieofalbany at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 10:29 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Foreign countries don't have banks or finance companies?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 2:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> All I can say is, write to Jim G. or KNFB as a group and describe
>>>> your
>>>>>> idea.  All they can do is bring it to their board and either say,
>>>>>> yes
>>>> or
>>>>>> no!  If you already have the phone, I do not see how it could go
>>>> wrong.
>>>>>> They might want to limit it to foreign countrys who do not have good
>>>>>> loan programs and tech support.  Good luck with the idea.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: dean mills [mailto:dm3209 at vodafone.net]
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:01 AM
>>>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a lot of people in the UK get the n82 just for the phone:  the trial
>>>>>> could work well for them users.  my ideas are:
>>>>>> first you would start the aplication and then even get a tempoarry
>>>> key
>>>>>> like with talks even for 10 days.  what are poeples thoughts on
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]"
>>>>>> <powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov>
>>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 12:22 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will;
>>>>>>> Where is your logic?  To try this package, you would still need the
>>>>>> N82.
>>>>>>> Do you really think KNFB is going to let people take a delicate
>>>> thing
>>>>>>> like a cell phone out on tryal.  See if your area has a center that
>>>>>>> displays equipment for handicapped like the NFB does in Baltimore.
>>>> If
>>>>>>> you can find one, you can go there and try out the phone and other
>>>>>>> equipment, as often as you want, before making you mind up.  I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> the other package you mentioned was for a computer, so the tryal
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> only the software, but you had to provide the computer.  Also you
>>>>>>> could find a friend with a new reader.  Instead of complaining so
>>>>>>> much, try to find solutions that meet your needs.  KNFB is not
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>> to change just for one person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Charlie Richardson [mailto:charlieofalbany at hotmail.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:21 PM
>>>>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First you talk about rights, now you talk about being forced.  You
>>>>>>> have the right and probably should keep your money.  You are one
>>>> over
>>>>>>> the edge negative person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "will lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com>
>>>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:44 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> can not a trial be made downloadable though?
>>>>>>>> what is the technical difficulties with this? kurzweil dont expect
>>>>>>>> you to shell out 1000 dollars for k1000 without trying it, so why
>>>> are
>>>>>>>> they giving us loads of marketing over the top hype, and forcing
>>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>> to buy this product without trying it?
>>>>>>>> that's worrying business to me, considering all other blindness
>>>>>>>> related software companies as far as i know i.e. jaws, window
>>>>>>>> eyes,
>>>>>>>> hal, etc, at least let you try the products
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9 May 2008, at 16:40, Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E] wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is just the reason why I am holding off until convention.
>>>>>>>>> There I
>>>>>>>>> can try it out, all I want.  They even have a night session,
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> just vendors show their products.  This is how I got my original
>>>>>>>>> reader
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> stand.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Terry Powers
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: will lomas [mailto:lomaswilliam at googlemail.com]
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 11:26 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] trial
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> can a trial of the KNFB reader please be made we can just pay ten
>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> twenty pounds or something for the pollerizers and then get a
>>>> thirty
>>>>>>>>> day demo how on earth can most of you state o i'll buy it based
>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>> loads of advertising hype on a website?
>>>>>>>>> Surely as consumers we should be given the right to try the
>>>> software
>>>>>>>>> as you can with k1000?
>>>>>>>>> just my thoughts
>>>>>>>>>
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