[Reader-users] i dont get it
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Wed Feb 20 11:49:07 CST 2008
Au contraire: the software was rewritten from scratch. Get your facts
straight.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Vidya
To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
I can understand Kurzweil's motives of profiteering, but not that of
NFB's.
For one time, one can willingly pay in the name of r&d expenses but
not
twice. It is not a new software, mind you, a tweaked one to suit a
mobile
phone.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Handel" <cindy425 at verizon.net>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
<reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
> Well, no one must switch to the new reader. There is an upgrade
offer
> being
> made, but there's no requirement to upgrade now. Kurzweil wouldn't
have
> to
> offer a discount, at all.
>
> Cindy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vidya" <joshvidya at gmail.com>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>
>
> NFB at least should pressurize Ray Kurzweil to give a cheaper
upgrade to
> KNFB mobile software to its initial buyers.
> Why are the same people expected to pay twice for the R&D?
> Or does NFB get some commission on each sale?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith and Tracy" <hear2c at mchsi.com>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>
>
>>I think one of the reasons they are jumping to a cell phoone is that
the
>>PDA
>> is no longer available from Fuji, which, I guess, is the maker of
the
>> version KNFB used originally. As for the hardware being tapped
out, I
>> think
>> it's a bit too much for consumers to chew. I'm sure there is some
way to
>> update the hardware wireing/chipsets or something to allow for
expansion
>> of
>> the software.
>>
>> Another thing is that I think people were complainng on how bulky
the
>> classic reader is. I personally don't think it's that bad, but
whatever.
>>
>> Keith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>>
>>
>>> This is not my experience. Some people can get someone else to
buy
>>> access
>>> equipment, and some people can't. My employer bought the braille
>>> display
>>> I have at work. I bought the one I have at home. I bought my
KNFB
>>> reader. Plenty of other people I know also bought their readers
>>> themselves, getting the money together one way or another.
>>>
>>> But I'm with the guy who started this tread. How can a cell phone
be
>>> better stronger faster than a PDA? The PDA's not that old. It
doesn't
>>> make sense to me.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think it is a good deal easier for americans to obtain
equipment.
>>>> There access for employers and so on is a good deal better than
here
>>>> in the UK. If your blind over there you get braille displays just
>>>> because you sort of want them. Over here we have to justify,
justify,
>>>> justify etc.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> -James-
>>>> On 4 Feb 2008, at 12:33, Keith and Tracy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think you are mistaken about the funding aspect. The deaf
has
>>>>> closed
>>>>> captioning on TV shows and movies, which is madated by the feds.
>>>>> The tv and
>>>>> movie studeios have lobbyists up the wazoo, telling congress
that
>>>>> they don't
>>>>> want to fund Descriptive video for shoes and movies. If you are
>>>>> talking
>>>>> aobut Lion's clubs, even Iraq has Lion's clubs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com>
>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:28 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how have they maxed out the hardware of that PDA for the
classic
>>>>>> it is ten times faster than an average mobile phone is much
much much
>>>>>> faster, and no one is going to fund you buying a phone to have
OCR on
>>>>>> it if you want it for a job
>>>>>> you guys are all blinded by technology it hillarious
>>>>>> so what it is a mboile phone? big deal, 90 percent of us here
already
>>>>>> own them
>>>>>> you'll ahve to buy a new phone? oh it ok as you US guys get
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> phones, funding for this, funding for that, we get nothing here
in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> UK
>>>>>> i feel so sorry for those people who brought the classic for
example,
>>>>>> were told it would work in their langauge i.e to read spanish
french
>>>>>> german, and are now told thanks for your money but we are
scrweing
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> over, buy out new product now to get what you should have had
int he
>>>>>> old one it pathetic
>>>>>>
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Au contraire: the software was rewritten from scratch. Get your facts straight.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:joshvidya at gmail.com Vidya
To:
mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Sent:
Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:00 AM
Subject:
Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
I can understand Kurzweil's motives of profiteering, but not that of NFB's.
For one time, one can willingly pay in the name of r&d expenses but not
twice. It is not a new software, mind you, a tweaked one to suit a mobile
phone.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cindy Handel" < mailto:cindy425 at verizon.net cindy425 at verizon.net
>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
< mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org reader-users at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
> Well, no one must switch to the new reader. There is an upgrade offer
> being
> made, but there's no requirement to upgrade now. Kurzweil wouldn't have
> to
> offer a discount, at all.
>
> Cindy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vidya" < mailto:joshvidya at gmail.com joshvidya at gmail.com
>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> < mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org reader-users at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 12:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>
>
> NFB at least should pressurize Ray Kurzweil to give a cheaper upgrade to
> KNFB mobile software to its initial buyers.
> Why are the same people expected to pay twice for the R&D?
> Or does NFB get some commission on each sale?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Keith and Tracy" < mailto:hear2c at mchsi.com hear2c at mchsi.com
>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> < mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org reader-users at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>
>
>>I think one of the reasons they are jumping to a cell phoone is that the
>>PDA
>> is no longer available from Fuji, which, I guess, is the maker of the
>> version KNFB used originally. As for the hardware being tapped out, I
>> think
>> it's a bit too much for consumers to chew. I'm sure there is some way to
>> update the hardware wireing/chipsets or something to allow for expansion
>> of
>> the software.
>>
>> Another thing is that I think people were complainng on how bulky the
>> classic reader is. I personally don't think it's that bad, but whatever.
>>
>> Keith
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tracy Carcione" < mailto:carcione at access.net carcione at access.net
>
>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>> < mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org reader-users at nfbnet.org
>
>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>>
>>
>>> This is not my experience. Some people can get someone else to buy
>>> access
>>> equipment, and some people can't. My employer bought the braille
>>> display
>>> I have at work. I bought the one I have at home. I bought my KNFB
>>> reader. Plenty of other people I know also bought their readers
>>> themselves, getting the money together one way or another.
>>>
>>> But I'm with the guy who started this tread. How can a cell phone be
>>> better stronger faster than a PDA? The PDA's not that old. It doesn't
>>> make sense to me.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>>> I think it is a good deal easier for americans to obtain equipment.
>>>> There access for employers and so on is a good deal better than here
>>>> in the UK. If your blind over there you get braille displays just
>>>> because you sort of want them. Over here we have to justify, justify,
>>>> justify etc.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>> -James-
>>>> On 4 Feb 2008, at 12:33, Keith and Tracy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think you are mistaken about the funding aspect. The deaf has
>>>>> closed
>>>>> captioning on TV shows and movies, which is madated by the feds.
>>>>> The tv and
>>>>> movie studeios have lobbyists up the wazoo, telling congress that
>>>>> they don't
>>>>> want to fund Descriptive video for shoes and movies. If you are
>>>>> talking
>>>>> aobut Lion's clubs, even Iraq has Lion's clubs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "william lomas" < mailto:lomaswilliam at googlemail.com lomaswilliam at googlemail.com
>
>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>> < mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org reader-users at nfbnet.org
>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:28 AM
>>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> how have they maxed out the hardware of that PDA for the classic
>>>>>> it is ten times faster than an average mobile phone is much much much
>>>>>> faster, and no one is going to fund you buying a phone to have OCR on
>>>>>> it if you want it for a job
>>>>>> you guys are all blinded by technology it hillarious
>>>>>> so what it is a mboile phone? big deal, 90 percent of us here already
>>>>>> own them
>>>>>> you'll ahve to buy a new phone? oh it ok as you US guys get
>>>>>> everything
>>>>>> phones, funding for this, funding for that, we get nothing here in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> UK
>>>>>> i feel so sorry for those people who brought the classic for example,
>>>>>> were told it would work in their langauge i.e to read spanish french
>>>>>> german, and are now told thanks for your money but we are scrweing
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> over, buy out new product now to get what you should have had int he
>>>>>> old one it pathetic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Reader-users mailing list
>>>>>> mailto:Reader-users at nfbnet.org Reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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