[Reader-users] i dont get it

Wed Feb 20 10:10:58 CST 2008

Current KNFB Readers can  upgrade to the new version for $1100. 
this includes $600 for the hardware, and $500 for the software. 
Since the software sells for $1595, $500 seems like quite a break to
me!

Dave

David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN  55114-1840
(651) 642-0513  Office
(612) 730-7931  Cell
(651) 649-5927  Fax

>>> joshvidya at gmail.com 2/19/2008 11:48 PM >>>

NFB at least should pressurize Ray Kurzweil to give a cheaper
upgrade to 
KNFB mobile software to its initial buyers.
Why are the same people expected to pay twice for the R&D?
Or does NFB get some commission on each sale?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Keith and Tracy" <hear2c at mchsi.com>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list" 
<reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it

>I think one of the reasons they are jumping to a cell phoone is
that the 
>PDA
> is no longer available from Fuji, which, I guess, is the maker of
the
> version KNFB used originally.  As for the hardware being tapped
out, I 
> think
> it's a bit too much for consumers to chew.  I'm sure there is
some way to
> update the hardware wireing/chipsets or something to allow for
expansion 
> of
> the software.
>
> Another thing is that I think people were complainng on how bulky
the
> classic reader is.  I personally don't think it's that bad, but
whatever.
>
> Keith
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>
>
>> This is not my experience.  Some people can get someone else to
buy 
>> access
>> equipment, and some people can't.  My employer bought the
braille display
>> I have at work.  I bought the one I have at home.  I bought my
KNFB
>> reader.  Plenty of other people I know also bought their
readers
>> themselves, getting the money together one way or another.
>>
>> But I'm with the guy who started this tread.  How can a cell
phone be
>> better stronger faster than a PDA?  The PDA's not that old.  It
doesn't
>> make sense to me.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> I think it is a good deal easier for americans to obtain
equipment.
>>> There access for employers and so on is a good deal better than
here
>>> in the UK. If your blind over there you get braille displays
just
>>> because you sort of want them. Over here we have to justify,
justify,
>>> justify etc.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> -James-
>>> On 4 Feb 2008, at 12:33, Keith and Tracy wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you are mistaken about the  funding aspect.  The deaf
has
>>>> closed
>>>> captioning on TV shows and movies, which is madated by the
feds.
>>>> The tv and
>>>> movie studeios have lobbyists up the wazoo, telling congress
that
>>>> they don't
>>>> want to fund Descriptive video for shoes and movies.  If you
are
>>>> talking
>>>> aobut Lion's clubs, even Iraq has Lion's clubs.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com>
>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user
list"
>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:28 AM
>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> how have they maxed out the hardware of that PDA for the
classic
>>>>> it is ten times faster than an average mobile phone is much
much much
>>>>> faster, and no one is going to fund you buying a phone to
have OCR on
>>>>> it if you want it for a job
>>>>> you guys are all blinded by technology it hillarious
>>>>> so what it is a mboile phone? big deal, 90 percent of us here
already
>>>>> own them
>>>>> you'll ahve to buy a new phone? oh it ok as you US guys get
>>>>> everything
>>>>> phones, funding for this, funding for that, we get nothing
here in
>>>>> the
>>>>> UK
>>>>> i feel so sorry for those people who brought the classic for
example,
>>>>> were told it would work in their langauge i.e to read spanish
french
>>>>> german, and are now told thanks for your money but we are
scrweing
>>>>> you
>>>>> over, buy out new product now to get what you should have had
int he
>>>>> old one it pathetic
>>>>>
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Current KNFB Readers can? upgrade to the new version for $1100.? this includes $600 for the hardware, and $500 for the software.? Since the software sells for $1595, $500 seems?like quite a break to me!
?
Dave
?
?
?
David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN? 55114-1840
(651) 642-0513? Office
(612) 730-7931? Cell
(651) 649-5927? Fax
>>> joshvidya at gmail.com 2/19/2008 11:48 PM >>>
NFB at least should pressurize Ray Kurzweil to give a cheaper upgrade to
KNFB mobile software to its initial buyers.
Why are the same people expected to pay twice for the R&D?
Or does NFB get some commission on each sale?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Keith and Tracy" <hear2c at mchsi.com>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
<reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>I think one of the reasons they are jumping to a cell phoone is that the
>PDA
> is no longer available from Fuji, which, I guess, is the maker of the
> version KNFB used originally.? As for the hardware being tapped out, I
> think
> it's a bit too much for consumers to chew.? I'm sure there is some way to
> update the hardware wireing/chipsets or something to allow for expansion
> of
> the software.
>
> Another thing is that I think people were complainng on how bulky the
> classic reader is.? I personally don't think it's that bad, but whatever.
>
> Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tracy Carcione" <carcione at access.net>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>
>
>> This is not my experience.? Some people can get someone else to buy
>> access
>> equipment, and some people can't.? My employer bought the braille display
>> I have at work.? I bought the one I have at home.? I bought my KNFB
>> reader.? Plenty of other people I know also bought their readers
>> themselves, getting the money together one way or another.
>>
>> But I'm with the guy who started this tread.? How can a cell phone be
>> better stronger faster than a PDA?? The PDA's not that old.? It doesn't
>> make sense to me.
>> Tracy
>>
>>
>>> I think it is a good deal easier for americans to obtain equipment.
>>> There access for employers and so on is a good deal better than here
>>> in the UK. If your blind over there you get braille displays just
>>> because you sort of want them. Over here we have to justify, justify,
>>> justify etc.
>>>
>>> Best
>>>
>>> -James-
>>> On 4 Feb 2008, at 12:33, Keith and Tracy wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think you are mistaken about the? funding aspect.? The deaf has
>>>> closed
>>>> captioning on TV shows and movies, which is madated by the feds.
>>>> The tv and
>>>> movie studeios have lobbyists up the wazoo, telling congress that
>>>> they don't
>>>> want to fund Descriptive video for shoes and movies.? If you are
>>>> talking
>>>> aobut Lion's clubs, even Iraq has Lion's clubs.
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com>
>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 1:28 AM
>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] i dont get it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> hi all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> how have they maxed out the hardware of that PDA for the classic
>>>>> it is ten times faster than an average mobile phone is much much much
>>>>> faster, and no one is going to fund you buying a phone to have OCR on
>>>>> it if you want it for a job
>>>>> you guys are all blinded by technology it hillarious
>>>>> so what it is a mboile phone? big deal, 90 percent of us here already
>>>>> own them
>>>>> you'll ahve to buy a new phone? oh it ok as you US guys get
>>>>> everything
>>>>> phones, funding for this, funding for that, we get nothing here in
>>>>> the
>>>>> UK
>>>>> i feel so sorry for those people who brought the classic for example,
>>>>> were told it would work in their langauge i.e to read spanish french
>>>>> german, and are now told thanks for your money but we are scrweing
>>>>> you
>>>>> over, buy out new product now to get what you should have had int he
>>>>> old one it pathetic
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Reader-users mailing list
>>>>> Reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/reader-users
>>>>>
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