[Reader-users] classic

Mon Feb 4 11:57:46 CST 2008

I am in no one's pocket.  I don't even currently own a Reader, my
money goes to child support.  I understand the frustration of buying
technology that seems short lived.  However, that is the way things
are.  How many things, that became a part of the lives of many blind
persons are now gone.  The VersaBraille, Braille 'n Speak, Braille
Lite, Handi Cassette, OptaCon, and many more.

It is happening even faster today, so we all need to think long and
hard about a purchase.

Finally, if you can't counter my arguments, don't make unsupported
accusations.  I am in no ones pocket.  

Dave

David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN  55114-1840
(651) 642-0513  Office
(612) 730-7931  Cell
(651) 649-5927  Fax

>>> hear2c at mchsi.com 2/4/2008 11:50 AM >>>

nice to know ou're in their pocket.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David B Andrews" <David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us>
To: <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic

> Your reader is not out of date.  It is still as good as it was
six months 
> ago.  If it was orth it to you then, it should still be worth it
to you * 
> allowing you to independently read documents.
>
> Yes, there is a smaller unit, but none of us gets everything we
want.  Its 
> performance is similar to the one you have.  You can choose to be
happy 
> about what you have been able to get, or you can be "pissed off"
as you 
> say.  The choice is yours, not that of the KNFB Reading
Technology folks.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> David Andrews
> Chief Technology Officer
> Minnesota State Services for the Blind
> 2200 University Ave. W., #240
> St. Paul, MN  55114-1840
> (651) 642-0513  Office
> (612) 730-7931  Cell
> (651) 649-5927  Fax
>
>
>>>> hear2c at mchsi.com 2/2/2008 8:17 PM >>>
>
> then they should have an upgrade policy that actually helps the
prior
> consumers.  My problem is that I got my reader "classic" 6 months
ago. 
> The
> software version was the most up to date, and the last one they
are
> releasing for the classic version.  Now, I'm stuck with a out of
date
> reader, with no more software updates to come.  Like I stated
before, I
> payed  $3000 six mnths ago, and now I would have to fork out
another $1100
> to update to a phone version.  If they would cover a flat trade
up, or 
> give
> a  serious discount for switching to the newer version, I wouln't
feel so
> pissed off.  But I don't work, I live in a rural town, where the
only jobs
> available are factory work and  farm work, with no public
transport or 
> para
> transit to other towns.  I have tapped out the Lion's club, and
they state
> there will be no more assistence to me for at least 5 years.  We
all make
> choices, but this is ridiculous.
>
> Keith
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>
>
>> Hello James. I have no desire to argue a point on which people
have
>> already
>> made up their minds, but I don't blame the KNFB Reading
Technologies 
>> Folks
>> for putting out a reader, which was, when it was released, a
state of the
>> art product. How would you have them do it differently? How many
personal
>> data assistants and cameras should have been purchased? What
kind of
>> capital
>> should have been placed into the purchase of spare parts? What
would you
>> have thought, if three years after its release, the KNFB reader
people
>> were
>> still trying to push on you an old personal data assistant, and
a camera,
>> which was outperformed several times over by things you could
easily buy
>> at
>> Wal-Mart?
>>
>> I personally have a very hard time living in a world where the
market
>> expects me to throw my old DVD player a way, because I can
replace it 
>> more
>> cheaply than it can be repaired. I may never get accustomed to
the idea
>> that
>> there isn't a little electronics repair shop down the street,
but that's
>> the
>> world and the failure to adjust and get comfortable is mine.
>>
>> It is hard not to get into the mindset which says that while I
don't
>> expect
>> my old television to be replaced by the company when a new one
comes out,
>> I
>> certainly think that new hardware and software is my right, by
virtue of
>> my
>> initial purchase.
>>
>> I always think there is too much month left at the end of my
money, that
>> my
>> raises do not begin to keep up with the real cost of inflation,
but I
>> don't
>> think that gives me any kind of right to blame good people like
the kind
>> we
>> find at KNFB Reading Technologies.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
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I am in no one's pocket.? I don't even currently own a Reader, my money goes to child support.? I understand the frustration of buying technology that seems short lived.? However, that is the way things are.? How many things, that became a part of the lives of many blind persons are now gone.? The VersaBraille, Braille 'n Speak, Braille Lite, Handi Cassette, OptaCon, and many more.
?
It is happening even faster today, so we all need to think long and hard about a purchase.
?
Finally, if you can't counter my arguments, don't make unsupported accusations.? I am in no ones pocket.?
?
Dave
?
?
?
David Andrews
Chief Technology Officer
Minnesota State Services for the Blind
2200 University Ave. W., #240
St. Paul, MN? 55114-1840
(651) 642-0513? Office
(612) 730-7931? Cell
(651) 649-5927? Fax
>>> hear2c at mchsi.com 2/4/2008 11:50 AM >>>
nice to know ou're in their pocket.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David B Andrews" <David.B.Andrews at state.mn.us>
To: <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
> Your reader is not out of date.? It is still as good as it was six months
> ago.? If it was orth it to you then, it should still be worth it to you *
> allowing you to independently read documents.
>
> Yes, there is a smaller unit, but none of us gets everything we want.? Its
> performance is similar to the one you have.? You can choose to be happy
> about what you have been able to get, or you can be "pissed off" as you
> say.? The choice is yours, not that of the KNFB Reading Technology folks.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> David Andrews
> Chief Technology Officer
> Minnesota State Services for the Blind
> 2200 University Ave. W., #240
> St. Paul, MN? 55114-1840
> (651) 642-0513? Office
> (612) 730-7931? Cell
> (651) 649-5927? Fax
>
>
>>>> hear2c at mchsi.com 2/2/2008 8:17 PM >>>
>
> then they should have an upgrade policy that actually helps the prior
> consumers.? My problem is that I got my reader "classic" 6 months ago.
> The
> software version was the most up to date, and the last one they are
> releasing for the classic version.? Now, I'm stuck with a out of date
> reader, with no more software updates to come.? Like I stated before, I
> payed? $3000 six mnths ago, and now I would have to fork out another $1100
> to update to a phone version.? If they would cover a flat trade up, or
> give
> a? serious discount for switching to the newer version, I wouln't feel so
> pissed off.? But I don't work, I live in a rural town, where the only jobs
> available are factory work and? farm work, with no public transport or
> para
> transit to other towns.? I have tapped out the Lion's club, and they state
> there will be no more assistence to me for at least 5 years.? We all make
> choices, but this is ridiculous.
>
> Keith
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary Wunder" <gwunder at earthlink.net>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>
>
>> Hello James. I have no desire to argue a point on which people have
>> already
>> made up their minds, but I don't blame the KNFB Reading Technologies
>> Folks
>> for putting out a reader, which was, when it was released, a state of the
>> art product. How would you have them do it differently? How many personal
>> data assistants and cameras should have been purchased? What kind of
>> capital
>> should have been placed into the purchase of spare parts? What would you
>> have thought, if three years after its release, the KNFB reader people
>> were
>> still trying to push on you an old personal data assistant, and a camera,
>> which was outperformed several times over by things you could easily buy
>> at
>> Wal-Mart?
>>
>> I personally have a very hard time living in a world where the market
>> expects me to throw my old DVD player a way, because I can replace it
>> more
>> cheaply than it can be repaired. I may never get accustomed to the idea
>> that
>> there isn't a little electronics repair shop down the street, but that's
>> the
>> world and the failure to adjust and get comfortable is mine.
>>
>> It is hard not to get into the mindset which says that while I don't
>> expect
>> my old television to be replaced by the company when a new one comes out,
>> I
>> certainly think that new hardware and software is my right, by virtue of
>> my
>> initial purchase.
>>
>> I always think there is too much month left at the end of my money, that
>> my
>> raises do not begin to keep up with the real cost of inflation, but I
>> don't
>> think that gives me any kind of right to blame good people like the kind
>> we
>> find at KNFB Reading Technologies.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
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