[Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Sun Feb 3 20:13:57 CST 2008
And then you find out *after* you're home that something was bolixed up!
<g>
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Meredith
To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
On the other hand, is the prospect of human readers becoming less and
less "essential" such a bad thing? If I go to lunch with a colleague,
the interaction model seems radically different than if a sighted friend
goes with me to the grocery store to help with the shopping (it seems
that, the more essential the service, the more the interaction tends to,
at least in the eyes of third parties (cashiers in the grocery stores,
customer service representatives for essential utilities, etc.) be seen
as ... let's call it a helper/helpee model (I remember an article whose
URL I wish I had written down that illustrated the perceived or symantic
difference between "help" and "assistance")). Whilst I don't doubt the
necessity of a working pair of eyes for certain situations, nor, as has
been mistakenly attributed to me in previous discussions, do I denegrate
the importance of "good old-fashioned blindness skills" (I feel
positively naked without my cane, and I can certainly tell wher!
e to transfer buses on my daily commute if my GPS battery runs flat),
but if the situations where a human reader is required, through the
advent of progressively more powerful technologies, become fewer and
fewer, is that really so bad?
And no, before anyone asks, I don't wander around Safeway holding up
my KNFB reader spending hours and hours trying to read packages just for
the independence factor. I order online, partially because I get a
discount--except for Trader Joe's. I call that in in advance. This way
I can shop whilst code either downloads or compiles, and, in the latter
case, pick up the order on the way home.
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[mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KAYE KIPP
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:27 PM
To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
Mike, I agree with you. I love my KNFB reader, but there are times
when you
can't beat good old human beings reading.
Kaye
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
<reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
>I agree with you that the new K-NFB Reader is "awsome"! However, I
> question whether looking at food ingredients in a store is the best
use
> of the technology. I am of the opinion that grocery shopping is one
of
> those activities best done using a live reader, if for no other
reason
> than that the grocery displays and their location are constantly
> changing.
>
> It seems to me that there is an increasing tendency to denigrate the
use
> of live readers. This is a serious mistake IMO.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: denise avant
> To: 'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
>
>
> hello,
> after listening to earl's presentation, i realized the awesomeness
of
> this
> technology. there are many ways one can use this technology even
above
> the
> knfb classic model you can easily take the reader mobile to the
store,
> and
> look at the ingredients of foods.
> i kind of think of it as a small magnifier that people who can
still
> see
> print whip out and read things with. it's pricey particularly the
> phone, and
> the phone limits your provider choices, but if one can swing it, i
> think it
> is worth it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
Carcione
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:32 PM
> To: reader-users at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
>
> Below is a link to a demo of the new reader, done by a guy from
> Handytech.
> It's kinda long, but I feel like I have a better idea about the
new
> reader
> after listening to it. He describes the reader in detail, and has
it
> read
> several things, from stuff on his desk to a frozen dinner.
> http://www.triumphonic.com/demos/readerdemo.mp3
>
>
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And then you find out *after* you're home that something was bolixed up! <g>
Mike
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From:
mailto:cmered at microsoft.com Chris Meredith
To:
mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Sent:
Sunday, February 03, 2008 4:29 PM
Subject:
Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
On the other hand, is the prospect of human readers becoming less and less "essential" such a bad thing? If I go to lunch with a colleague, the interaction model seems radically different than if a sighted friend goes with me to the grocery store to help with the shopping (it seems that, the more essential the service, the more the interaction tends to, at least in the eyes of third parties (cashiers in the grocery stores, customer service representatives for essential utilities, etc.) be seen as ... let's call it a helper/helpee model (I remember an article whose URL I wish I had written down that illustrated the perceived or symantic difference between "help" and "assistance")). Whilst I don't doubt the necessity of a working pair of eyes for certain situations, nor, as has been mistakenly attributed to me in previous discussions, do I denegrate the importance of "good old-fashioned blindness skills" (I feel positively naked without my cane, and I can certainly tell wher!
e to transfer buses on my daily commute if my GPS battery runs flat), but if the situations where a human reader is required, through the advent of progressively more powerful technologies, become fewer and fewer, is that really so bad?
And no, before anyone asks, I don't wander around Safeway holding up my KNFB reader spending hours and hours trying to read packages just for the independence factor. I order online, partially because I get a discount--except for Trader Joe's. I call that in in advance. This way I can shop whilst code either downloads or compiles, and, in the latter case, pick up the order on the way home.
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of KAYE KIPP
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 3:27 PM
To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
Mike, I agree with you. I love my KNFB reader, but there are times when you
can't beat good old human beings reading.
Kaye
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Freeman" < mailto:k7uij at panix.com k7uij at panix.com
>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
< mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org reader-users at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
>I agree with you that the new K-NFB Reader is "awsome"! However, I
> question whether looking at food ingredients in a store is the best use
> of the technology. I am of the opinion that grocery shopping is one of
> those activities best done using a live reader, if for no other reason
> than that the grocery displays and their location are constantly
> changing.
>
> It seems to me that there is an increasing tendency to denigrate the use
> of live readers. This is a serious mistake IMO.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: denise avant
> To: 'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'
> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
>
>
> hello,
> after listening to earl's presentation, i realized the awesomeness of
> this
> technology. there are many ways one can use this technology even above
> the
> knfb classic model you can easily take the reader mobile to the store,
> and
> look at the ingredients of foods.
> i kind of think of it as a small magnifier that people who can still
> see
> print whip out and read things with. it's pricey particularly the
> phone, and
> the phone limits your provider choices, but if one can swing it, i
> think it
> is worth it.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 1:32 PM
> To: mailto:reader-users at nfbnet.org reader-users at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Reader-users] new reader demo MP3
>
> Below is a link to a demo of the new reader, done by a guy from
> Handytech.
> It's kinda long, but I feel like I have a better idea about the new
> reader
> after listening to it. He describes the reader in detail, and has it
> read
> several things, from stuff on his desk to a frozen dinner.
> http://www.triumphonic.com/demos/readerdemo.mp3 http://www.triumphonic.com/demos/readerdemo.mp3
>
>
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