[Reader-users] classic

Loren Wakefield isaiah5719 at mchsi.com
Sat Feb 2 21:33:56 CST 2008 

And what did you pay for that one update?  The initial investment of the 
orriginal reader was around $3500.  This will be under $2200.  It changes, 
and this is actually coming down in price.  What else in adaptive tech can 
one say that about?
Loren Wakefield

"The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr. Forress C. 
Shaklee

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Jolley" <james.jolley at homecall.co.uk>
To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list" 
<reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic


>I don't see it that way I am sorry. I purchase a device, expecting a
> years updates and get only the one? Madness. We're all going mad here.
> Mobile phones that make coffee anyone?
> On 2 Feb 2008, at 23:59, Loren Wakefield wrote:
>
>> Get real people.  It sounds like there are two or so that only
>> complaint is
>> that they cannot have a new toy.  If you do not like the new setup,
>> stay
>> with the old.  As has been said a number of times, The orriginal
>> reader will
>> work just fine.  How many people bought tube radios, and now because
>> of
>> advancement can no longer use those?  If you like what you have
>> stick with
>> it.  The reader as configured before is still pretty portable.  If the
>> scanner and hard pc works for you use it.  It is still a good system
>> as
>> well.  We in the blind community fall far enough behind the current
>> technology as it is.  Let's not discourage advancement.  Let's find
>> ways to
>> embrace it and move forward.  Personally, I cannot wait for the day
>> when
>> they announce a device that translates a page, book, box, etc, the
>> second it
>> looks at it.  Yes, that means somethings will be out of date.  It
>> also means
>> that money spent a few days before will have been spen on oldtime
>> tech.  But
>> bring it on.  It is better to advance the cause.  Yes, all tech goes
>> out-of-date.  I'm not crazy about it always, but it is the way
>> things are.
>> And for the most part, we are better off.  IF I have a chance to see
>> this
>> new device, and I like it, I will find a way to purchase it.  And I
>> will
>> probably have to buy two of them, because I am sure my wife wants
>> one as
>> well.  This is not the debacle that HumanWare pulled.  It is an
>> advancement
>> for all of us, and I for one and happy about it.
>>
>>
>> Loren Wakefield
>>
>> "The best way to predict your Future is to create it." Dr. Forress C.
>> Shaklee
>>
>> www.ultimatehealthwithtlc.com
>>
>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com>
>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>>
>>
>>> hi but i dont want a new phone i ahppyw ith the one i got, i reckon i
>>> should ge thte phone free to be honest, as my provider dont give me
>>> the phone on my contract. in effect you are all wasting money on a
>>> phone to use an OCR package. pathetic i'm sorry but it is. the
>>> majority of us have phones we are happy with, right? so why waste
>>> money on another phone which as james Jolley rightly in my humble
>>> opinion points out will be out of date and KTI say oh damn, sorry
>>> you'll all ahve to get yet, another phone oh dear can we screw you
>>> for
>>> another six hundred dollars please, oh and the version of the
>>> software
>>> we gave you this year isn't valid any more so can we have another 300
>>> or more dollars please as you need the next version. i think it
>>> disgusting that an international product like k1000 from the same
>>> company *
>>> laughs*, can work in english, french, german, italian, spanish and
>>> god
>>> knows what other langauges and whyd oesn't it work with the KNFB
>>> technologies
>>> i agree that isn't its' main use but to me for those people who paid
>>> for the first mode the upgrade should be free especially if you ahve
>>> had it only for a year it rip off and you lot should seriously smell
>>> the coffie guys i'm sorry but it is true
>>> just stop please to consider. you've all lashed out on the classic
>>> but
>>> they still wnat to rip you off with this new version not caring that
>>> you may have taken a loan to have the original when no updates are
>>> available, weren't you promised updates during the last year, have
>>> any
>>> come out? no. languages? no. only a minor upgrade to correct columns
>>> of text it appears
>>> if you buy this phone combination i tell you guys as i've reflected
>>> ont his what i said above while it may ahve sounded sarcastic is
>>> true.
>>> in a years' time that will be more money on their pockets and
>>> software
>>> that is quote no longer beeing updated, quote
>>> On 2 Feb 2008, at 21:57, David wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's a huge flaw there.  What happens when there's no
>>>> coverage, or if someone doesn't want to use the phone to text
>>>> message? I think it's great the way it is.
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> David Bouchard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Executive Grand Communicator
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Watonala Lodge, Order of the Arrow
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: James Jolley <james.jolley at homecall.co.uk
>>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user
>>>> list<reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:54:17 +0000
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>> Why should I give credit to a company that screws us? Also, I
>>>> think
>>>>> that there must be other ways of doing this.  Perhaps having the
>>>>> pictures sent via the MMS protocol and recognised by a version of
>>>>> K1000 on a server.  the results could then be sent back to you
>>>> either
>>>>> as a text or something similar.  Surely using the phones
>>>> internals is a
>>>>> daft way to go.
>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Feb 2008, at 20:30, Dave Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, you are correct in that there are a few phones out there
>>>>>> with 5mp
>>>>>> cameras and xenon flash, however they tend to not have stable
>>>>>> operating
>>>>>> systems.  The two phones I know of are a soney ericson model and
>>>> a
>>>>>> Samsung
>>>>>> model.  KTI is constantly searching for new technology to assist
>>>> in
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> venture, who knows if the technology doesn't develop, instead of
>>>>>> sitting
>>>>>> here and complaining about it, perhaps some individuals should
>>>>>> consider
>>>>>> getting out in the field and developing it themselves.  It is
>>>> fairly
>>>>>> easy for
>>>>>> us to talk about what could be better, and how we could have
>>>> done
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> different, but it is a different story to be out in the field
>>>> doing
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> developing.  Just a thought guys.  Lets do our best to give
>>>> credit where
>>>>>> credit is due here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave Wright
>>>>>> University of Illinois at Chicago, UIC
>>>>>> Email: dwrigh6 at uic.edu
>>>>>> Mobile: (832)518-0707
>>>>>> Please visit and Support:
>>>>>> http://www.blindscience.org
>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "James Jolley" <james.jolley at homecall.co.uk
>>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 2:02 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't personally credit this at all.  I wonder what KNFB
>>>> reading
>>>>>>> technologies are playing at?
>>>>>>> Giving back your old reader to get a mobile phone that will be
>>>> out of
>>>>>>> date in a year is beyond stupidity.  What is the point of having
>>>>>>> everyone's old reader back if there already out of date? Also,
>>>> the
>>>>>>> fact that I have only had one update to the software in the 11
>>>> months
>>>>>>> or so of use is completely unfair.  Sight and Sound technologies
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> give those of us who haven't had it more than a year some of our
>>>>>>> money
>>>>>>> back.  2625 pounds I paid for this.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>
>>>>>>> -James-On 2 Feb 2008, at 19:19, william lomas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>> well i'm sorry i'd demand a refund to all of you who brought the
>>>>>>>> classics, you ahve had nor will have, no significant updates to
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> product you have spent money on.  how can they have maxed out
>>>> the
>>>>>>>> hardware, it beats any phone.
>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2 Feb 2008, at 19:01, Keith and Tracy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> as of today, on the KNFB reader listserv, the classic, as it is
>>>> now
>>>>>>>>> called,
>>>>>>>>> will not have updates to the software.  Officials at the KNFB
>>>>>>>>> HQ
>>>>>>>>> state that
>>>>>>>>> the hardware will not support any more software updates, as
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> say, they
>>>>>>>>> have tapped out what the hardware can handle.  The phone does
>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> have to be
>>>>>>>>> activated, to be used as a phone.  It does have a GPS receiver,
>>>>>>>>> which, when
>>>>>>>>> loaded with waypoint software, will allow someone to know where
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>>> but I haven't used the software, and don't know how useful it
>>>>>>>>> is.  I
>>>>>>>>> personally think that those who got the classic version are
>>>> getting
>>>>>>>>> screwed,
>>>>>>>>> the upgrade will cost a total of about $4100 US total, so it's
>>>> kind
>>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>>> kick in the butt for us who decided to help the company out and
>>>> buy
>>>>>>>>> it when
>>>>>>>>> it first came out.  Buyer beware I guess.  The same happened
>>>> when
>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>> people first bought hybrid cars.  The batteries in the engine
>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> catch
>>>>>>>>> fire when they first came out...
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com
>>>>>>>>> To: <reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:04 AM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] classic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hello to all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am a potential user of the KNFB reader
>>>>>>>>>> for some time now here in the united kingdom, i ahve been
>>>>>>>>>> considering
>>>>>>>>>> this fabulous sounding product to aid in my indipendance
>>>>>>>>>> what though is the status going to be if i get the classic, as
>>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>>> now known.  will i get future upgrades
>>>>>>>>>> if not, why not.  not everybody want a mobile phone do they?
>>>> surely
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> reader using the classic runs on a much higher specification
>>>>>>>>>> PDA
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> any phone?
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>
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