[Reader-users] classic

James Jolley james.jolley at homecall.co.uk
Sat Feb 2 18:36:37 CST 2008 

I don't see it that way I am sorry. I purchase a device, expecting a  
years updates and get only the one? Madness. We're all going mad here.  
Mobile phones that make coffee anyone?
On 2 Feb 2008, at 23:59, Loren Wakefield wrote:

> Get real people.  It sounds like there are two or so that only  
> complaint is
> that they cannot have a new toy.  If you do not like the new setup,  
> stay
> with the old.  As has been said a number of times, The orriginal  
> reader will
> work just fine.  How many people bought tube radios, and now because  
> of
> advancement can no longer use those?  If you like what you have  
> stick with
> it.  The reader as configured before is still pretty portable.  If the
> scanner and hard pc works for you use it.  It is still a good system  
> as
> well.  We in the blind community fall far enough behind the current
> technology as it is.  Let's not discourage advancement.  Let's find  
> ways to
> embrace it and move forward.  Personally, I cannot wait for the day  
> when
> they announce a device that translates a page, book, box, etc, the  
> second it
> looks at it.  Yes, that means somethings will be out of date.  It  
> also means
> that money spent a few days before will have been spen on oldtime  
> tech.  But
> bring it on.  It is better to advance the cause.  Yes, all tech goes
> out-of-date.  I'm not crazy about it always, but it is the way  
> things are.
> And for the most part, we are better off.  IF I have a chance to see  
> this
> new device, and I like it, I will find a way to purchase it.  And I  
> will
> probably have to buy two of them, because I am sure my wife wants  
> one as
> well.  This is not the debacle that HumanWare pulled.  It is an  
> advancement
> for all of us, and I for one and happy about it.
>
>
> Loren Wakefield
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com>
> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
> <reader-users at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 4:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>
>
>> hi but i dont want a new phone i ahppyw ith the one i got, i reckon i
>> should ge thte phone free to be honest, as my provider dont give me
>> the phone on my contract. in effect you are all wasting money on a
>> phone to use an OCR package. pathetic i'm sorry but it is. the
>> majority of us have phones we are happy with, right? so why waste
>> money on another phone which as james Jolley rightly in my humble
>> opinion points out will be out of date and KTI say oh damn, sorry
>> you'll all ahve to get yet, another phone oh dear can we screw you  
>> for
>> another six hundred dollars please, oh and the version of the  
>> software
>> we gave you this year isn't valid any more so can we have another 300
>> or more dollars please as you need the next version. i think it
>> disgusting that an international product like k1000 from the same
>> company *
>> laughs*, can work in english, french, german, italian, spanish and  
>> god
>> knows what other langauges and whyd oesn't it work with the KNFB
>> technologies
>> i agree that isn't its' main use but to me for those people who paid
>> for the first mode the upgrade should be free especially if you ahve
>> had it only for a year it rip off and you lot should seriously smell
>> the coffie guys i'm sorry but it is true
>> just stop please to consider. you've all lashed out on the classic  
>> but
>> they still wnat to rip you off with this new version not caring that
>> you may have taken a loan to have the original when no updates are
>> available, weren't you promised updates during the last year, have  
>> any
>> come out? no. languages? no. only a minor upgrade to correct columns
>> of text it appears
>> if you buy this phone combination i tell you guys as i've reflected
>> ont his what i said above while it may ahve sounded sarcastic is  
>> true.
>> in a years' time that will be more money on their pockets and  
>> software
>> that is quote no longer beeing updated, quote
>> On 2 Feb 2008, at 21:57, David wrote:
>>
>>> There's a huge flaw there.  What happens when there's no
>>> coverage, or if someone doesn't want to use the phone to text
>>> message? I think it's great the way it is.
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> David Bouchard
>>>
>>>
>>> Executive Grand Communicator
>>>
>>>
>>> Watonala Lodge, Order of the Arrow
>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: James Jolley <james.jolley at homecall.co.uk
>>>> To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user
>>> list<reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sat, 2 Feb 2008 20:54:17 +0000
>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>> Why should I give credit to a company that screws us? Also, I
>>> think
>>>> that there must be other ways of doing this.  Perhaps having the
>>>> pictures sent via the MMS protocol and recognised by a version of
>>>> K1000 on a server.  the results could then be sent back to you
>>> either
>>>> as a text or something similar.  Surely using the phones
>>> internals is a
>>>> daft way to go.
>>>
>>>> On 2 Feb 2008, at 20:30, Dave Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Indeed, you are correct in that there are a few phones out there
>>>>> with 5mp
>>>>> cameras and xenon flash, however they tend to not have stable
>>>>> operating
>>>>> systems.  The two phones I know of are a soney ericson model and
>>> a
>>>>> Samsung
>>>>> model.  KTI is constantly searching for new technology to assist
>>> in
>>>>> this
>>>>> venture, who knows if the technology doesn't develop, instead of
>>>>> sitting
>>>>> here and complaining about it, perhaps some individuals should
>>>>> consider
>>>>> getting out in the field and developing it themselves.  It is
>>> fairly
>>>>> easy for
>>>>> us to talk about what could be better, and how we could have
>>> done
>>>>> things
>>>>> different, but it is a different story to be out in the field
>>> doing
>>>>> the
>>>>> developing.  Just a thought guys.  Lets do our best to give
>>> credit where
>>>>> credit is due here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave Wright
>>>>> University of Illinois at Chicago, UIC
>>>>> Email: dwrigh6 at uic.edu
>>>>> Mobile: (832)518-0707
>>>>> Please visit and Support:
>>>>> http://www.blindscience.org
>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "James Jolley" <james.jolley at homecall.co.uk
>>>>> To: "Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list"
>>>>> <reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 2:02 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Reader-users] classic
>>>
>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>>>> I don't personally credit this at all.  I wonder what KNFB
>>> reading
>>>>>> technologies are playing at?
>>>>>> Giving back your old reader to get a mobile phone that will be
>>> out of
>>>>>> date in a year is beyond stupidity.  What is the point of having
>>>>>> everyone's old reader back if there already out of date? Also,
>>> the
>>>>>> fact that I have only had one update to the software in the 11
>>> months
>>>>>> or so of use is completely unfair.  Sight and Sound technologies
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> give those of us who haven't had it more than a year some of our
>>>>>> money
>>>>>> back.  2625 pounds I paid for this.
>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>
>>>>>> -James-On 2 Feb 2008, at 19:19, william lomas wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> well i'm sorry i'd demand a refund to all of you who brought the
>>>>>>> classics, you ahve had nor will have, no significant updates to
>>> the
>>>>>>> product you have spent money on.  how can they have maxed out
>>> the
>>>>>>> hardware, it beats any phone.
>>>
>>>>>>> On 2 Feb 2008, at 19:01, Keith and Tracy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>> as of today, on the KNFB reader listserv, the classic, as it is
>>> now
>>>>>>>> called,
>>>>>>>> will not have updates to the software.  Officials at the KNFB  
>>>>>>>> HQ
>>>>>>>> state that
>>>>>>>> the hardware will not support any more software updates, as  
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> say, they
>>>>>>>> have tapped out what the hardware can handle.  The phone does
>>> not
>>>>>>>> have to be
>>>>>>>> activated, to be used as a phone.  It does have a GPS receiver,
>>>>>>>> which, when
>>>>>>>> loaded with waypoint software, will allow someone to know where
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>> but I haven't used the software, and don't know how useful it
>>>>>>>> is.  I
>>>>>>>> personally think that those who got the classic version are
>>> getting
>>>>>>>> screwed,
>>>>>>>> the upgrade will cost a total of about $4100 US total, so it's
>>> kind
>>>>>>>> of a
>>>>>>>> kick in the butt for us who decided to help the company out and
>>> buy
>>>>>>>> it when
>>>>>>>> it first came out.  Buyer beware I guess.  The same happened
>>> when
>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>> people first bought hybrid cars.  The batteries in the engine
>>> would
>>>>>>>> catch
>>>>>>>> fire when they first came out...
>>>
>>>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam at googlemail.com
>>>>>>>> To: <reader-users at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 11:04 AM
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Reader-users] classic
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> hello to all
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am a potential user of the KNFB reader
>>>>>>>>> for some time now here in the united kingdom, i ahve been
>>>>>>>>> considering
>>>>>>>>> this fabulous sounding product to aid in my indipendance
>>>>>>>>> what though is the status going to be if i get the classic, as
>>>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>>> now known.  will i get future upgrades
>>>>>>>>> if not, why not.  not everybody want a mobile phone do they?
>>> surely
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> reader using the classic runs on a much higher specification  
>>>>>>>>> PDA
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> any phone?
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>
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