[Reader-users] Is it really necessary to haveportraitorrientation?

Tue Jun 5 14:44:25 CDT 2007

Hi Terry:

You probably have to experience the field of view report to understand what
it is telling you.  

The report is designed to tell you if the camera is seeing all of the edges
of a document, or if one or more of the edges is cut off.  The report also
tells you how large the image is by giving a percentage of the screen that
would be filled by the document if you were looking through the screen.  If
you are taking a picture of a normal, 8-1/2 by 11 inch page, it is good for
the size of the image to be somewhere between 50 percent of the screen and
75 percent.  It can be less or more, but these are only guidelines.
Finally, the report tells you if the Reader is rotated relative to the page.
Zero degrees with portrait orientation, or 90 degrees with landscape
orientation are the best alignment.  However, the rotation reall;y doesn't
matter that much.  The Reader adjusts the image once the picture has been
taken.  Perfect alignment may result in slightly faster processing.  

I would consider the field of view report to be more like a training tool
that you need to use with every image.  I also use it to improve my reading
quality, whenever something is not giving me the results I want.  In that
case, I want to be sure I am getting all of the target document in the
camera's view and the image is ligned up pretty well.  I do find that I tend
to get just a little sloppy overtime, so using the field of view report
helps me get things back into line.  

Thanks, J. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Powers, Terry
(NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:18 PM
To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] Is it really necessary to
haveportraitorrientation?

James G. 
It sounds to me like both descriptions are telling the viewer, us, where the
document is located.  I still do not see the difference.  
Terry Powers

-----Original Message-----
From: James Gashel [mailto:jim at knfbreader.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 3:13 PM
To: 'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] Is it really necessary to
haveportraitorrientation?

Hi James:

I'm afraid I completely lost you on that part of your message below where
you suggest that the field of view report should do more with pictures.
You
express that this will be forthcoming in a software update.  

I really don't know exactly what you mean.  The purpose for the field of
view report is to indicate if the camera is seeing all of the page.  It is
not and has never been intended to describe the layout of the page or the
pictures that may be on the page.  

I would generally say, if we can figure out a way to make the field of view
report a bit shorter, that is what we should do.  Remember, when you are
using the field of view report you are generally holding the reader above
the page.  Most people want less, rather than more, information so they
don't have to hold the Reader while listening to a lengthy statement about
what is being seen.  

Thanks, J. G.

-----Original Message-----
From: reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Jolley
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 2:40 PM
To: Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] Is it really necessary to have
portraitorrientation?

Hi Jim,

Very interesting to read your message. I only ever use it in really critical
situations and try to aim for 50 or more percent. Like I said in our oflist
message, magazines are useless with the field of view because it never takes
into account pictures and things like that. Let's hope the next update can
add more info to that report.

All the best

-James-

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Gashel" <jim at knfbreader.com>
To: "'Kurzweil National Federation of the Blind Reader user list'" 
<reader-users at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Reader-users] Is it really necessary to have portrait
orrientation?

> Hi James:
>
> It is not necessary to obtain portrait orientation or even to use the 
> field of view report.  However, if there are times when I don't get 
> the quality I am looking for, I may check my alignment before I take 
> the picture again.
>
> If you don't have portrait orientation, it is possible that some of 
> the print on the missing edge will be cut off.  In that event, the 
> Reader may just omit reading you quite a bit of text.  The Reader does

> not try to read you partial words.  So, if some letters are cut off on

> the left side of the page, the Reader may end up skipping the entire 
> line.
>
> Obviously, if the Reader reports not seeing the left edge, that 
> doesn't necessarily mean that any of the text is cut off.  The Reader 
> is reporting if the edge of the page is seen, not if the left edge of 
> the words is seen.
> Therefore, it may be that some but not all of the margin is seen.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Thanks, J. G.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:reader-users-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of James Jolley
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 5:43 PM
> To: reader-users at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Reader-users] Is it really necessary to have portrait 
> orrientation?
>
> Hi Jim and folks,
>
> I noted that Jim mentioned in one of his messages that he often gets 
> portrait orrientation. I can't seem to get that all that much, but 
> still get good results if the field of view says something to the 
> effect of, "Top, bottom and right edges are visible, 60 percent 
> filled".
>
> It seems to always work then. If it gives me something different like 
> "top right and bottom edges are visible" I just move accross a bit to 
> the left and see what comes of it. To be honest, I never really use 
> the field of view to get it perfect, If it get 50 percent or more in, 
> then alls fair.
>
> Is that just me or are many users the same?
>
> Best
>
> -James-
>
>
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