From goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  1 01:05:01 2011
From: goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com (Kathy Nimmer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:05:01 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
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Sounds like a neat opportunity, and you shouldn't have classroom management issues with adults the same way you might with younger folks, hopefully not anyway! Smile!

> From: hope.paulos at gmail.com
> To: nobe-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:45:17 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
> 
> The program is  through the University system. Since I'm not considered a 
> professor, because it's adult ed and no credits are given, I'm able to teach 
> with a bachelor's degree.  Yes it's my first teaching job. I graduated 2 
> years ago with a secondary ed degree in Spanish and German but applied for 
> jobs and didn't get themm. I'm really looking forward to it and am sure I'll 
> have more questions as I go along.
> Thank you so much for your help.
> Hope and guide dog, Beignet
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kathy Nimmer" <goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com>
> To: "National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List" 
> <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
> 
> 
> > Yes, or a coordinator at the school where you teach, like a department 
> > chair. Don't be surprised if the electronic version is PDF or is not super 
> > accessible. I haven't had a great deal of luck with electronic copies 
> > myself. What kind of school or program is this? Is this your first 
> > teaching job? How exciting!
> >
> >> From: hope.paulos at gmail.com
> >> To: nobe-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:14:43 -0400
> >> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
> >>
> >> Hi there. Thanks so much. I'm assuming I'd contact the publisher for an
> >> electronic copy, then?
> >> Hope
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "Kathy Nimmer" <goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com>
> >> To: "National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List"
> >> <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Our teacher editions have always been available through school where 
> >> > the
> >> > student editions are since the same company makes both.
> >> >
> >> >> From: hope.paulos at gmail.com
> >> >> To: nobe-l at nfbnet.org
> >> >> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:17:00 -0400
> >> >> Subject: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi there. I'm going to be teaching an adult education Spanish class. 
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> wondering where I can find the teacher's edition of the book I'll be
> >> >> using? I'd like to have access to the test banks as well but not sure 
> >> >> if
> >> >> this would be possible. Can someone point me to resources, please?
> >> >> Thanks.
> >> >> Your help is greatly appreciated.
> >> >> Hope Paulos
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 02:16:57 2011
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:16:57 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
References: <352EAEBB56FB4C6EB0482F5EFF79AE23@Espy>, ,
	<SNT101-W2741F6342B1E535F608B7EBA390@phx.gbl>, ,
	<8DCC5FA94C3544A6B73C2DC63CDE588B@Espy>,
	<SNT101-W52FE8EE4D30B936255E0C4BA390@phx.gbl>,
	<853A7049E98E45DC940E8F706537E49F@Espy>
	<SNT101-W317F10FCC791ED7879443BA380@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CB21F938ABF04AE28F3A8D9DE3A4EED3@Espy>

That's exactly why I jumped at the opportunity to teach adults. I'm actually 
going back for my Masters to become a vission rehabilitation teacher. 
Although I love high school kids, I don't want to have all the classroom 
management issues to deal with. Had enough of that when student-teaching.
Hope
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Nimmer" <goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com>
To: "National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List" 
<nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?


> Sounds like a neat opportunity, and you shouldn't have classroom 
> management issues with adults the same way you might with younger folks, 
> hopefully not anyway! Smile!
>
>> From: hope.paulos at gmail.com
>> To: nobe-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:45:17 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
>>
>> The program is  through the University system. Since I'm not considered a
>> professor, because it's adult ed and no credits are given, I'm able to 
>> teach
>> with a bachelor's degree.  Yes it's my first teaching job. I graduated 2
>> years ago with a secondary ed degree in Spanish and German but applied 
>> for
>> jobs and didn't get themm. I'm really looking forward to it and am sure 
>> I'll
>> have more questions as I go along.
>> Thank you so much for your help.
>> Hope and guide dog, Beignet
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Kathy Nimmer" <goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List"
>> <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
>>
>>
>> > Yes, or a coordinator at the school where you teach, like a department
>> > chair. Don't be surprised if the electronic version is PDF or is not 
>> > super
>> > accessible. I haven't had a great deal of luck with electronic copies
>> > myself. What kind of school or program is this? Is this your first
>> > teaching job? How exciting!
>> >
>> >> From: hope.paulos at gmail.com
>> >> To: nobe-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:14:43 -0400
>> >> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
>> >>
>> >> Hi there. Thanks so much. I'm assuming I'd contact the publisher for 
>> >> an
>> >> electronic copy, then?
>> >> Hope
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: "Kathy Nimmer" <goldendolphin17 at hotmail.com>
>> >> To: "National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List"
>> >> <nobe-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 7:29 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Our teacher editions have always been available through school where
>> >> > the
>> >> > student editions are since the same company makes both.
>> >> >
>> >> >> From: hope.paulos at gmail.com
>> >> >> To: nobe-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> >> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 23:17:00 -0400
>> >> >> Subject: [nobe-l] Finding teachers editions of books?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi there. I'm going to be teaching an adult education Spanish 
>> >> >> class.
>> >> >> I'm
>> >> >> wondering where I can find the teacher's edition of the book I'll 
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> using? I'd like to have access to the test banks as well but not 
>> >> >> sure
>> >> >> if
>> >> >> this would be possible. Can someone point me to resources, please?
>> >> >> Thanks.
>> >> >> Your help is greatly appreciated.
>> >> >> Hope Paulos
>> >> >> _______________________________________________
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 23:17:30 2011
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:17:30 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Test generation programs/
Message-ID: <B315FCC5AEB54E18958339E39C0AF65F@Espy>

Hi all. I'm wondering if anyone knows of an accessible test generation program. I would  be inputing the questions. Studnets would then log in and take the test.  it would minimize the need for the use of paper and pencil and allow me to grade the tests independently.
Thanks.
Hope Paulos

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From evp at email.arizona.edu  Wed Aug 17 23:44:11 2011
From: evp at email.arizona.edu (Elizabeth Phillips)
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 16:44:11 -0700
Subject: [nobe-l] hi all
Message-ID: <002901cc5d37$9263f2f0$b72bd8d0$@arizona.edu>

Hi Everyone,
I am new to this list and thought I'd introduce myself.  I'm a philosophy
graduate student at the University of Arizona.  As part of our program and
also to secure funding, we are teaching assistants for various lower-level
undergraduate courses.  I've been teaching mostly philosophy ethical theory
and applied ethics discussion sections, but I also was the TA for one course
where we discussed personal identity and philosophy of mind.

I'm totally blind and was very excited to realize that there is a list like
this out there.  I'd love to connect with other blind teachers and exchange
tips on how to deal with some of the issues that come up specifically for
people who are blind with regard to interacting with students, memorizing
names, presenting class material without use of a board,  and other things
of that sort.  

I'm glad to meet everyone here.

Best,
Liz




From lilstarlet09 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 19 14:58:50 2011
From: lilstarlet09 at gmail.com (Jenna and Bilko)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:58:50 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] nobe-l Digest, Vol 87, Issue 4
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References: <mailman.45.1313686815.6631.nobe-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <CAMXiPzSnuVeC4-nimXdJmsuQPaOmjpCuuCFnJAk9W2S33JPw-A@mail.gmail.com>

Nice to meet you! I'm Jenna, and I'm a Special Education Major at
Bowling Green State University in Ohio. This list is nice, but not
extremely active. If you want to know about more successful blind
teachers, I'd recomend also checking out
http://blindteachers.net/
It's a national association of Blind Teachers, and it's another good
resourse. :) Hope to get to know you :)
Jenna

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> Hi Everyone,
> I am new to this list and thought I'd introduce myself.  I'm a philosophy
> graduate student at the University of Arizona.  As part of our program and
> also to secure funding, we are teaching assistants for various lower-level
> undergraduate courses.  I've been teaching mostly philosophy ethical theory
> and applied ethics discussion sections, but I also was the TA for one course
> where we discussed personal identity and philosophy of mind.
>
> I'm totally blind and was very excited to realize that there is a list like
> this out there.  I'd love to connect with other blind teachers and exchange
> tips on how to deal with some of the issues that come up specifically for
> people who are blind with regard to interacting with students, memorizing
> names, presenting class material without use of a board,  and other things
> of that sort.
>
> I'm glad to meet everyone here.
>
> Best,
> Liz
>
>
>
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From shekoenig at comcast.net  Fri Aug 19 15:06:01 2011
From: shekoenig at comcast.net (Sheila)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:06:01 -0500
Subject: [nobe-l] FW: Looking for visually-impaired and blind teachers to
	interview for my thesis
Message-ID: <312C85EA0C7042A495ED3654DB283CE8@sheila>

Hello,
I was asked to forward the following request for participants in a Masters
thesis. 


I am a visually-impaired music teacher completing my Master's in Music
Education at Buffalo State College. Currently, I am writing my thesis
about classroom management for visually-impaired and blind teachers,
specifically music teachers.

I am looking for at least seven teachers to interview for the second,
qualitative, half of the thesis. I would greatly appreciate any help you
could
offer.

Please feel free to offer my contact information to any teachers you know:
Martha Tersero
(716) 877-0248
(716) 515-8107
mtersero at gmail.com

Thank you for your time and any help you can give.

Sincerely,

Martha Tersero




From shekoenig at comcast.net  Fri Aug 19 15:08:10 2011
From: shekoenig at comcast.net (Sheila)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:08:10 -0500
Subject: [nobe-l] FW: TVIs needed for a national assistive technology survey
Message-ID: <3FD000D5688845F4888767C62F9D99F2@sheila>


I was asked to forward the following request for participants in an
assistive technology survey.

Sheila
_______________________________________________


TVIs Needed for Assistive Technology (AT) Study!

Researchers from Texas Tech University and Missouri State University are
surveying TVIs to determine what assistive technology competencies they
possess.  If you are a certified TVI in the United States, please consider
completing the online survey at http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/tvitechnology
by October 31st!  All participants who complete the survey will be entered
into a drawing to win one of many wonderful AT prizes.  See the survey for
more information.

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From katz4god at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 21 03:17:22 2011
From: katz4god at yahoo.com (Cayte Mendez)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:17:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
Message-ID: <1313896642.39387.YahooMailClassic@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi Liz,

My name is Cayte.  I?m an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to the list!

When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my students? names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names to you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses you?ll probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they come see you before or after class you?ll have a reference.  Also, I took a few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It?s a little more formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who?s talking by where they?re sitting in the room.  

Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some residual vision, so I don?t know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone else on the list knows?

Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for you in the future.





A book is a garden carried in the pocket.



From ilanisimova at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 04:49:08 2011
From: ilanisimova at gmail.com (Irina Anisimova)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:49:08 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
In-Reply-To: <1313896642.39387.YahooMailClassic@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1313896642.39387.YahooMailClassic@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAF7o3OQN=F+MA-7Ge7bMsCzBnm9U4fVvUFUPxxAVbK=4NXFA8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Liz,

My name is Irina and I am also a graduate student at the department of
Slavic Languages and Literatures at Pitt.

I agree with Cayte that it will help to ask students to tell you their
names, when they make a comment during the discussion I tried it in my
classes, and although I always had to remind them, I remembered their
voices very quickly.  I also think that if you have more then 50
students in your class, you would never be able to remember everyone,
but at least you will know the active students.

I will also suggest combination of handouts and projecting from a
computer to the screen.  Power Point is fine to use with JAWS.  I use
office t003, because I generally find it easier.  May be somebody else
could comment on using newer versions of PPT.  You can also project
Word documents onto a screen. Or even type in Word if you want to make
a quick reference.  I used to do that in my language classes.

I also have a question for the list concerning using the braille
display for teaching.  I currently use JAWS and have a headphone in
one ear, but find it at times annoying, especially when I want to show
a clip from my computer and JAWS continues speaking for a while.  Does
anyone on the list use brail display for teaching?  Does it work well
with PPT and other programs?  I am considering buying it at some
point.

Regards,

Irina


On 8/20/11, Cayte Mendez <katz4god at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Liz,
>
> My name is Cayte.  I?m an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to the
> list!
>
> When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my students?
> names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names to
> you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses you?ll
> probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they
> come see you before or after class you?ll have a reference.  Also, I took a
> few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It?s a little more
> formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who?s
> talking by where they?re sitting in the room.
>
> Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your
> colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some residual
> vision, so I don?t know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone else
> on the list knows?
>
> Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for you
> in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
> A book is a garden carried in the pocket.
>
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From jfetter at nd.edu  Mon Aug 22 05:56:36 2011
From: jfetter at nd.edu (James Fetter)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:56:36 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
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I'm also a graduate student and have taught or TA-ed several times. I 
agree with Irina about asking students to announce their names during 
discussion. I've tried various methods of calling on students who don't 
speak often; the most effective seems to be to ask for a comment from 
someone who hasn't spoken before in class or, if all else fails, simply 
calling on a student who never says anything. The difficulty, of course, 
is that the student may have nothing intelligent to say or may not be 
paying attention, which disrupts the flow of the discussion. I haven't 
made much use of PowerPoint, because I have thus far taught smaller 
classes or discussion sections. I do, however, use a Braille display (an 
Alva BC640) for reading off lecture notes, consulting the text being 
analyzed, etc, and it seems to work fine with standard office 
applications. I hope this helps.
All Best,
James


On 8/22/2011 12:49 AM, Irina Anisimova wrote:
> Hi Liz,
>
> My name is Irina and I am also a graduate student at the department of
> Slavic Languages and Literatures at Pitt.
>
> I agree with Cayte that it will help to ask students to tell you their
> names, when they make a comment during the discussion I tried it in my
> classes, and although I always had to remind them, I remembered their
> voices very quickly.  I also think that if you have more then 50
> students in your class, you would never be able to remember everyone,
> but at least you will know the active students.
>
> I will also suggest combination of handouts and projecting from a
> computer to the screen.  Power Point is fine to use with JAWS.  I use
> office t003, because I generally find it easier.  May be somebody else
> could comment on using newer versions of PPT.  You can also project
> Word documents onto a screen. Or even type in Word if you want to make
> a quick reference.  I used to do that in my language classes.
>
> I also have a question for the list concerning using the braille
> display for teaching.  I currently use JAWS and have a headphone in
> one ear, but find it at times annoying, especially when I want to show
> a clip from my computer and JAWS continues speaking for a while.  Does
> anyone on the list use brail display for teaching?  Does it work well
> with PPT and other programs?  I am considering buying it at some
> point.
>
> Regards,
>
> Irina
>
>
> On 8/20/11, Cayte Mendez<katz4god at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> My name is Cayte.  I?m an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to the
>> list!
>>
>> When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my students?
>> names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names to
>> you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses you?ll
>> probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they
>> come see you before or after class you?ll have a reference.  Also, I took a
>> few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It?s a little more
>> formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who?s
>> talking by where they?re sitting in the room.
>>
>> Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your
>> colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some residual
>> vision, so I don?t know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone else
>> on the list knows?
>>
>> Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for you
>> in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A book is a garden carried in the pocket.
>>
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From lilstarlet09 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 22 13:41:34 2011
From: lilstarlet09 at gmail.com (Jenna and Bilko)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:41:34 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] liz's questions
Message-ID: <CAMXiPzSN3HZALWz2bg3VoCzAkHHRtqcy4qCF-xha1sOpW_vT5A@mail.gmail.com>

Powerpoint is accessible with jaws, but it's a pain in the butt if you
can't see exactly how things look on the page, so I'd recomend having
someone look it over before you use it. Just my oppinion, and if
anybody has any tips on how to use ppt more eficiantly they'd be
greatly appreciated! :)
-- 
Jenna and Guide "Sargent" Bilko



From fikrug at stu.ca  Mon Aug 22 16:54:48 2011
From: fikrug at stu.ca (Fikru Gebrekidan)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 13:54:48 -0300
Subject: [nobe-l] liz's questions
In-Reply-To: <CAMXiPzSN3HZALWz2bg3VoCzAkHHRtqcy4qCF-xha1sOpW_vT5A@mail.g
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As a university prof I've used powerpoint for almost ten years mostly 
for lecture outlines. It took me a couple of weeks of self training 
using the special instructional manual I purchased from Iowa, and the 
outcome has been wonderful. If you master the Jaws commands for ppt 
you don't need sighted help unless you do something visual such as 
charts, maps, etc. I personally cannot imagine lecturing a large 
class without ppt. Make sure your fonts are consistent. Don't clutter 
your slides: students tend to copy everything verbatim, which 
discourages thinking and distracts them from paying attention to the 
lecture. Don't be self-conscious about asking students if you're not 
sure about the visual layout. University students are adult enough to 
cut you a slack as long as it's not a routine problem.

As for identifying students by names and voices, use brailled index 
cards for attendance. Read the name, exchange a few niceties with the 
student about his/her weekend so as to register the voice and 
location, etc. If the student is absent flip the card over Braille 
facing down, and move on.  Enter the absence list in your office 
computer before next class.

FG





   At 10:41 AM 22/08/2011, Jenna and Bilko wrote:
>Powerpoint is accessible with jaws, but it's a pain in the butt if you
>can't see exactly how things look on the page, so I'd recomend having
>someone look it over before you use it. Just my oppinion, and if
>anybody has any tips on how to use ppt more eficiantly they'd be
>greatly appreciated! :)
>--
>Jenna and Guide "Sargent" Bilko
>
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From evp at email.arizona.edu  Mon Aug 22 17:36:08 2011
From: evp at email.arizona.edu (Elizabeth Phillips)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:36:08 -0700
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
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Thanks, Erina, I really appreciate the suggestions.  It's great to meet you,
too.

I currently don't bring my laptop into section, for the extra jaws talking
issue you were mentioning.  I currently use a BrailleNote Apex, which does
have a Braille display on it--so I personally am hesitant about the extreme
cost of a laptop display.  I do knowthat Braille Notes can hook up to
external moniters--does anyone know if it's possible to project a handout
word document from the Apex to an external screen?  That wouldn't solve the
problem of using powerpoint, but it could be a great option if you can work
with word or text files.  In philosophy there isn't much need for pictures
or diagrams, and as I am TAing for the class I'm in, the professor already
handles the powerpoint.  I hope someone can give you a more direct
suggestion on powerpoint and Braille--hopefully what I've said is at least
somewhat helpful.

Be Well,
Liz


-----Original Message-----
From: nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Irina Anisimova
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:49 PM
To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions

Hi Liz,

My name is Irina and I am also a graduate student at the department of
Slavic Languages and Literatures at Pitt.

I agree with Cayte that it will help to ask students to tell you their
names, when they make a comment during the discussion I tried it in my
classes, and although I always had to remind them, I remembered their
voices very quickly.  I also think that if you have more then 50
students in your class, you would never be able to remember everyone,
but at least you will know the active students.

I will also suggest combination of handouts and projecting from a
computer to the screen.  Power Point is fine to use with JAWS.  I use
office t003, because I generally find it easier.  May be somebody else
could comment on using newer versions of PPT.  You can also project
Word documents onto a screen. Or even type in Word if you want to make
a quick reference.  I used to do that in my language classes.

I also have a question for the list concerning using the braille
display for teaching.  I currently use JAWS and have a headphone in
one ear, but find it at times annoying, especially when I want to show
a clip from my computer and JAWS continues speaking for a while.  Does
anyone on the list use brail display for teaching?  Does it work well
with PPT and other programs?  I am considering buying it at some
point.

Regards,

Irina


On 8/20/11, Cayte Mendez <katz4god at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Liz,
>
> My name is Cayte.  I'm an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to
the
> list!
>
> When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my
students'
> names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names to
> you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses
you'll
> probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they
> come see you before or after class you'll have a reference.  Also, I took
a
> few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It's a little more
> formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who's
> talking by where they're sitting in the room.
>
> Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your
> colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some
residual
> vision, so I don't know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone
else
> on the list knows?
>
> Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for you
> in the future.
>
>
>
>
>
> A book is a garden carried in the pocket.
>
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From jfetter at nd.edu  Mon Aug 22 18:08:02 2011
From: jfetter at nd.edu (James Fetter)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:08:02 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
In-Reply-To: <003501cc60f1$fbbf12d0$f33d3870$@arizona.edu>
References: <1313896642.39387.YahooMailClassic@web161005.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CAF7o3OQN=F+MA-7Ge7bMsCzBnm9U4fVvUFUPxxAVbK=4NXFA8A@mail.gmail.com>
	<003501cc60f1$fbbf12d0$f33d3870$@arizona.edu>
Message-ID: <4E529B02.7060301@nd.edu>

I have heard that both the BrailleNote and PacMate are supposed to be 
able to hook up to a monitor and display documents, but I have never 
used them for that purpose, so I'm not sure about their limitations or 
compatibility with specific monitors. I was able to get an external 
Braille display through my state's department for the blind at no cost 
to me, so that might be an option for those interested in going that 
route. The one major advantage I found of using a laptop and a Braille 
display is versatility, especially when I had to be able to go to a 
specific page in a word document. This was very helpful in conference 
presentations, in which I had to be ready for someone to ask a question 
about a claim made on a specific page in my paper or even within a 
footnote--that happened once. It also came in handy when discussing 
papers with students. I'm not sure if the BrailleNote Apex has a word 
processor that allows you to go to a particular page in a word document 
or to bring up footnotes, endnotes, etc; I know the PacMate and older 
model BrailleNote I previously used did not.
All Best,
James


On 8/22/2011 1:36 PM, Elizabeth Phillips wrote:
> Thanks, Erina, I really appreciate the suggestions.  It's great to meet you,
> too.
>
> I currently don't bring my laptop into section, for the extra jaws talking
> issue you were mentioning.  I currently use a BrailleNote Apex, which does
> have a Braille display on it--so I personally am hesitant about the extreme
> cost of a laptop display.  I do knowthat Braille Notes can hook up to
> external moniters--does anyone know if it's possible to project a handout
> word document from the Apex to an external screen?  That wouldn't solve the
> problem of using powerpoint, but it could be a great option if you can work
> with word or text files.  In philosophy there isn't much need for pictures
> or diagrams, and as I am TAing for the class I'm in, the professor already
> handles the powerpoint.  I hope someone can give you a more direct
> suggestion on powerpoint and Braille--hopefully what I've said is at least
> somewhat helpful.
>
> Be Well,
> Liz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Irina Anisimova
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:49 PM
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> My name is Irina and I am also a graduate student at the department of
> Slavic Languages and Literatures at Pitt.
>
> I agree with Cayte that it will help to ask students to tell you their
> names, when they make a comment during the discussion I tried it in my
> classes, and although I always had to remind them, I remembered their
> voices very quickly.  I also think that if you have more then 50
> students in your class, you would never be able to remember everyone,
> but at least you will know the active students.
>
> I will also suggest combination of handouts and projecting from a
> computer to the screen.  Power Point is fine to use with JAWS.  I use
> office t003, because I generally find it easier.  May be somebody else
> could comment on using newer versions of PPT.  You can also project
> Word documents onto a screen. Or even type in Word if you want to make
> a quick reference.  I used to do that in my language classes.
>
> I also have a question for the list concerning using the braille
> display for teaching.  I currently use JAWS and have a headphone in
> one ear, but find it at times annoying, especially when I want to show
> a clip from my computer and JAWS continues speaking for a while.  Does
> anyone on the list use brail display for teaching?  Does it work well
> with PPT and other programs?  I am considering buying it at some
> point.
>
> Regards,
>
> Irina
>
>
> On 8/20/11, Cayte Mendez<katz4god at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> My name is Cayte.  I'm an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to
> the
>> list!
>>
>> When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my
> students'
>> names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names to
>> you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses
> you'll
>> probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they
>> come see you before or after class you'll have a reference.  Also, I took
> a
>> few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It's a little more
>> formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who's
>> talking by where they're sitting in the room.
>>
>> Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your
>> colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some
> residual
>> vision, so I don't know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone
> else
>> on the list knows?
>>
>> Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for you
>> in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A book is a garden carried in the pocket.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nobe-l mailing list
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Aug 22 21:25:02 2011
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (bookwormahb at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:25:02 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
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You can read text files in the braille note like a word document or .txt 
file, but it cannot go to certain pages and probably would mess up 
footnotes. It translates the words for you in grade 2 braille, but some 
formatting you would observe on the PC is lost.
I'd say its better to  have a computer to show your documents and project to 
a screen and other advantages james said.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: James Fetter
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 2:08 PM
To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions

I have heard that both the BrailleNote and PacMate are supposed to be
able to hook up to a monitor and display documents, but I have never
used them for that purpose, so I'm not sure about their limitations or
compatibility with specific monitors. I was able to get an external
Braille display through my state's department for the blind at no cost
to me, so that might be an option for those interested in going that
route. The one major advantage I found of using a laptop and a Braille
display is versatility, especially when I had to be able to go to a
specific page in a word document. This was very helpful in conference
presentations, in which I had to be ready for someone to ask a question
about a claim made on a specific page in my paper or even within a
footnote--that happened once. It also came in handy when discussing
papers with students. I'm not sure if the BrailleNote Apex has a word
processor that allows you to go to a particular page in a word document
or to bring up footnotes, endnotes, etc; I know the PacMate and older
model BrailleNote I previously used did not.
All Best,
James


On 8/22/2011 1:36 PM, Elizabeth Phillips wrote:
> Thanks, Erina, I really appreciate the suggestions.  It's great to meet 
> you,
> too.
>
> I currently don't bring my laptop into section, for the extra jaws talking
> issue you were mentioning.  I currently use a BrailleNote Apex, which does
> have a Braille display on it--so I personally am hesitant about the 
> extreme
> cost of a laptop display.  I do knowthat Braille Notes can hook up to
> external moniters--does anyone know if it's possible to project a handout
> word document from the Apex to an external screen?  That wouldn't solve 
> the
> problem of using powerpoint, but it could be a great option if you can 
> work
> with word or text files.  In philosophy there isn't much need for pictures
> or diagrams, and as I am TAing for the class I'm in, the professor already
> handles the powerpoint.  I hope someone can give you a more direct
> suggestion on powerpoint and Braille--hopefully what I've said is at least
> somewhat helpful.
>
> Be Well,
> Liz
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Irina Anisimova
> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:49 PM
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
>
> Hi Liz,
>
> My name is Irina and I am also a graduate student at the department of
> Slavic Languages and Literatures at Pitt.
>
> I agree with Cayte that it will help to ask students to tell you their
> names, when they make a comment during the discussion I tried it in my
> classes, and although I always had to remind them, I remembered their
> voices very quickly.  I also think that if you have more then 50
> students in your class, you would never be able to remember everyone,
> but at least you will know the active students.
>
> I will also suggest combination of handouts and projecting from a
> computer to the screen.  Power Point is fine to use with JAWS.  I use
> office t003, because I generally find it easier.  May be somebody else
> could comment on using newer versions of PPT.  You can also project
> Word documents onto a screen. Or even type in Word if you want to make
> a quick reference.  I used to do that in my language classes.
>
> I also have a question for the list concerning using the braille
> display for teaching.  I currently use JAWS and have a headphone in
> one ear, but find it at times annoying, especially when I want to show
> a clip from my computer and JAWS continues speaking for a while.  Does
> anyone on the list use brail display for teaching?  Does it work well
> with PPT and other programs?  I am considering buying it at some
> point.
>
> Regards,
>
> Irina
>
>
> On 8/20/11, Cayte Mendez<katz4god at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> My name is Cayte.  I'm an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to
> the
>> list!
>>
>> When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my
> students'
>> names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names 
>> to
>> you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses
> you'll
>> probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they
>> come see you before or after class you'll have a reference.  Also, I took
> a
>> few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It's a little more
>> formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who's
>> talking by where they're sitting in the room.
>>
>> Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your
>> colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some
> residual
>> vision, so I don't know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone
> else
>> on the list knows?
>>
>> Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for 
>> you
>> in the future.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> A book is a garden carried in the pocket.
>>
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From kjm at usfamily.net  Mon Aug 22 22:58:27 2011
From: kjm at usfamily.net (Kathy McGillivray)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:58:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [nobe-l] liz's questions
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While PowerPoint is accessible and can be used independently if you're just 
putting up a lecture outline or something, people generally use them for 
pictures, graphics, and other visual information. If all I'm using it for is 
a lecture outline, I'm not sure it's worth it. When I teach college classes, 
I do use PowerPoint, but I do get sighted assistance. It means I can 
construct PowerPoints which have more visual interest and feel more 
confident in what I am using. That's just me, though, and you will need to 
decide what works best for you.

Kathy McGillivray
----- Original Message ----- 
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> As a university prof I've used powerpoint for almost ten years mostly for 
> lecture outlines. It took me a couple of weeks of self training using the 
> special instructional manual I purchased from Iowa, and the outcome has 
> been wonderful. If you master the Jaws commands for ppt you don't need 
> sighted help unless you do something visual such as charts, maps, etc. I 
> personally cannot imagine lecturing a large class without ppt. Make sure 
> your fonts are consistent. Don't clutter your slides: students tend to 
> copy everything verbatim, which discourages thinking and distracts them 
> from paying attention to the lecture. Don't be self-conscious about asking 
> students if you're not sure about the visual layout. University students 
> are adult enough to cut you a slack as long as it's not a routine problem.
>
> As for identifying students by names and voices, use brailled index cards 
> for attendance. Read the name, exchange a few niceties with the student 
> about his/her weekend so as to register the voice and location, etc. If 
> the student is absent flip the card over Braille facing down, and move on. 
> Enter the absence list in your office computer before next class.
>
> FG
>
>
>
>
>
>   At 10:41 AM 22/08/2011, Jenna and Bilko wrote:
>>Powerpoint is accessible with jaws, but it's a pain in the butt if you
>>can't see exactly how things look on the page, so I'd recomend having
>>someone look it over before you use it. Just my oppinion, and if
>>anybody has any tips on how to use ppt more eficiantly they'd be
>>greatly appreciated! :)
>>--
>>Jenna and Guide "Sargent" Bilko
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From ilanisimova at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 03:30:15 2011
From: ilanisimova at gmail.com (Irina Anisimova)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:30:15 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
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Thanks, Liz and James.

As for projecting from Braille note, it might be a good idea to bring
both your brail note and a small laptop to class.  Unlike brail
displays, they are now extremely cheep.  You can buy a netbook for
$200 online.  You can then project your document onto a screen and
that would not interfere with your lecture notes on braille note.

For a discussion section, a nice detailed handout might also be just enough.

Best,

Irina


On 8/22/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> You can read text files in the braille note like a word document or .txt
> file, but it cannot go to certain pages and probably would mess up
> footnotes. It translates the words for you in grade 2 braille, but some
> formatting you would observe on the PC is lost.
> I'd say its better to  have a computer to show your documents and project to
> a screen and other advantages james said.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Fetter
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 2:08 PM
> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
>
> I have heard that both the BrailleNote and PacMate are supposed to be
> able to hook up to a monitor and display documents, but I have never
> used them for that purpose, so I'm not sure about their limitations or
> compatibility with specific monitors. I was able to get an external
> Braille display through my state's department for the blind at no cost
> to me, so that might be an option for those interested in going that
> route. The one major advantage I found of using a laptop and a Braille
> display is versatility, especially when I had to be able to go to a
> specific page in a word document. This was very helpful in conference
> presentations, in which I had to be ready for someone to ask a question
> about a claim made on a specific page in my paper or even within a
> footnote--that happened once. It also came in handy when discussing
> papers with students. I'm not sure if the BrailleNote Apex has a word
> processor that allows you to go to a particular page in a word document
> or to bring up footnotes, endnotes, etc; I know the PacMate and older
> model BrailleNote I previously used did not.
> All Best,
> James
>
>
> On 8/22/2011 1:36 PM, Elizabeth Phillips wrote:
>> Thanks, Erina, I really appreciate the suggestions.  It's great to meet
>> you,
>> too.
>>
>> I currently don't bring my laptop into section, for the extra jaws talking
>> issue you were mentioning.  I currently use a BrailleNote Apex, which does
>> have a Braille display on it--so I personally am hesitant about the
>> extreme
>> cost of a laptop display.  I do knowthat Braille Notes can hook up to
>> external moniters--does anyone know if it's possible to project a handout
>> word document from the Apex to an external screen?  That wouldn't solve
>> the
>> problem of using powerpoint, but it could be a great option if you can
>> work
>> with word or text files.  In philosophy there isn't much need for pictures
>> or diagrams, and as I am TAing for the class I'm in, the professor already
>> handles the powerpoint.  I hope someone can give you a more direct
>> suggestion on powerpoint and Braille--hopefully what I've said is at least
>> somewhat helpful.
>>
>> Be Well,
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Irina Anisimova
>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:49 PM
>> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
>>
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> My name is Irina and I am also a graduate student at the department of
>> Slavic Languages and Literatures at Pitt.
>>
>> I agree with Cayte that it will help to ask students to tell you their
>> names, when they make a comment during the discussion I tried it in my
>> classes, and although I always had to remind them, I remembered their
>> voices very quickly.  I also think that if you have more then 50
>> students in your class, you would never be able to remember everyone,
>> but at least you will know the active students.
>>
>> I will also suggest combination of handouts and projecting from a
>> computer to the screen.  Power Point is fine to use with JAWS.  I use
>> office t003, because I generally find it easier.  May be somebody else
>> could comment on using newer versions of PPT.  You can also project
>> Word documents onto a screen. Or even type in Word if you want to make
>> a quick reference.  I used to do that in my language classes.
>>
>> I also have a question for the list concerning using the braille
>> display for teaching.  I currently use JAWS and have a headphone in
>> one ear, but find it at times annoying, especially when I want to show
>> a clip from my computer and JAWS continues speaking for a while.  Does
>> anyone on the list use brail display for teaching?  Does it work well
>> with PPT and other programs?  I am considering buying it at some
>> point.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Irina
>>
>>
>> On 8/20/11, Cayte Mendez<katz4god at yahoo.com>  wrote:
>>> Hi Liz,
>>>
>>> My name is Cayte.  I'm an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to
>> the
>>> list!
>>>
>>> When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my
>> students'
>>> names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names
>>> to
>>> you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses
>> you'll
>>> probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they
>>> come see you before or after class you'll have a reference.  Also, I took
>> a
>>> few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It's a little more
>>> formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who's
>>> talking by where they're sitting in the room.
>>>
>>> Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your
>>> colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some
>> residual
>>> vision, so I don't know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone
>> else
>>> on the list knows?
>>>
>>> Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for
>>> you
>>> in the future.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A book is a garden carried in the pocket.
>>>
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From jfetter at nd.edu  Tue Aug 23 05:00:18 2011
From: jfetter at nd.edu (James Fetter)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 01:00:18 -0400
Subject: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
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It should also be possible to use the BrailleNote as an external Braille 
display for a laptop or netbook. That would allow for the versatility of 
a laptop without taking a loss on investing in a BrailleNote.
All Best,
James


On 8/22/2011 11:30 PM, Irina Anisimova wrote:
> Thanks, Liz and James.
>
> As for projecting from Braille note, it might be a good idea to bring
> both your brail note and a small laptop to class.  Unlike brail
> displays, they are now extremely cheep.  You can buy a netbook for
> $200 online.  You can then project your document onto a screen and
> that would not interfere with your lecture notes on braille note.
>
> For a discussion section, a nice detailed handout might also be just enough.
>
> Best,
>
> Irina
>
>
> On 8/22/11, bookwormahb at earthlink.net<bookwormahb at earthlink.net>  wrote:
>> You can read text files in the braille note like a word document or .txt
>> file, but it cannot go to certain pages and probably would mess up
>> footnotes. It translates the words for you in grade 2 braille, but some
>> formatting you would observe on the PC is lost.
>> I'd say its better to  have a computer to show your documents and project to
>> a screen and other advantages james said.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Fetter
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 2:08 PM
>> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
>>
>> I have heard that both the BrailleNote and PacMate are supposed to be
>> able to hook up to a monitor and display documents, but I have never
>> used them for that purpose, so I'm not sure about their limitations or
>> compatibility with specific monitors. I was able to get an external
>> Braille display through my state's department for the blind at no cost
>> to me, so that might be an option for those interested in going that
>> route. The one major advantage I found of using a laptop and a Braille
>> display is versatility, especially when I had to be able to go to a
>> specific page in a word document. This was very helpful in conference
>> presentations, in which I had to be ready for someone to ask a question
>> about a claim made on a specific page in my paper or even within a
>> footnote--that happened once. It also came in handy when discussing
>> papers with students. I'm not sure if the BrailleNote Apex has a word
>> processor that allows you to go to a particular page in a word document
>> or to bring up footnotes, endnotes, etc; I know the PacMate and older
>> model BrailleNote I previously used did not.
>> All Best,
>> James
>>
>>
>> On 8/22/2011 1:36 PM, Elizabeth Phillips wrote:
>>> Thanks, Erina, I really appreciate the suggestions.  It's great to meet
>>> you,
>>> too.
>>>
>>> I currently don't bring my laptop into section, for the extra jaws talking
>>> issue you were mentioning.  I currently use a BrailleNote Apex, which does
>>> have a Braille display on it--so I personally am hesitant about the
>>> extreme
>>> cost of a laptop display.  I do knowthat Braille Notes can hook up to
>>> external moniters--does anyone know if it's possible to project a handout
>>> word document from the Apex to an external screen?  That wouldn't solve
>>> the
>>> problem of using powerpoint, but it could be a great option if you can
>>> work
>>> with word or text files.  In philosophy there isn't much need for pictures
>>> or diagrams, and as I am TAing for the class I'm in, the professor already
>>> handles the powerpoint.  I hope someone can give you a more direct
>>> suggestion on powerpoint and Braille--hopefully what I've said is at least
>>> somewhat helpful.
>>>
>>> Be Well,
>>> Liz
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nobe-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Irina Anisimova
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:49 PM
>>> To: National Organization of Blind Educators Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nobe-l] Re Liz's questions
>>>
>>> Hi Liz,
>>>
>>> My name is Irina and I am also a graduate student at the department of
>>> Slavic Languages and Literatures at Pitt.
>>>
>>> I agree with Cayte that it will help to ask students to tell you their
>>> names, when they make a comment during the discussion I tried it in my
>>> classes, and although I always had to remind them, I remembered their
>>> voices very quickly.  I also think that if you have more then 50
>>> students in your class, you would never be able to remember everyone,
>>> but at least you will know the active students.
>>>
>>> I will also suggest combination of handouts and projecting from a
>>> computer to the screen.  Power Point is fine to use with JAWS.  I use
>>> office t003, because I generally find it easier.  May be somebody else
>>> could comment on using newer versions of PPT.  You can also project
>>> Word documents onto a screen. Or even type in Word if you want to make
>>> a quick reference.  I used to do that in my language classes.
>>>
>>> I also have a question for the list concerning using the braille
>>> display for teaching.  I currently use JAWS and have a headphone in
>>> one ear, but find it at times annoying, especially when I want to show
>>> a clip from my computer and JAWS continues speaking for a while.  Does
>>> anyone on the list use brail display for teaching?  Does it work well
>>> with PPT and other programs?  I am considering buying it at some
>>> point.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Irina
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/20/11, Cayte Mendez<katz4god at yahoo.com>   wrote:
>>>> Hi Liz,
>>>>
>>>> My name is Cayte.  I'm an elementary school teacher in NYC.  Welcome to
>>> the
>>>> list!
>>>>
>>>> When I first started teaching I had a really hard time learning my
>>> students'
>>>> names.  One thing you might try is having students call out their names
>>>> to
>>>> you when they have a question or comment.  As the semester progresses
>>> you'll
>>>> probably learn to associate voices with the different names, so when they
>>>> come see you before or after class you'll have a reference.  Also, I took
>>> a
>>>> few classes in college where we had assigned seats.  It's a little more
>>>> formal than the usual set-up, but that way you can have an idea of who's
>>>> talking by where they're sitting in the room.
>>>>
>>>> Presenting class materials without the board is a little tricky.  Do your
>>>> colleagues use PowerPoint or is it ok to use handouts?  I have some
>>> residual
>>>> vision, so I don't know how accessible PowerPoint is, but maybe someone
>>> else
>>>> on the list knows?
>>>>
>>>> Again, welcome to the list and I hope we can be a helpful resource for
>>>> you
>>>> in the future.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A book is a garden carried in the pocket.
>>>>
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From radioforever at gmail.com  Wed Aug 24 03:58:29 2011
From: radioforever at gmail.com (Jean Parker)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:28:29 +0530
Subject: [nobe-l] writing on the board
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Liz:

To write on the board or use other material I want to change during the class I hook  a projector to my laptop.  The same arrangement works for Powerpoint, or if I want to put up any kind of a document.  
One thing for writing, make sure the font you are using is large enough.  I usually set it to at least 14.  

Jean


