[nfbwatlk] question about wearing sunglasses - Email found in subject

Mike Freeman k7uij at panix.com
Thu Feb 14 04:56:05 CST 2013


To each his/her own. IMO canes aren't designed to be fashion statements.
Besides, were there less "fashion", we could put all fashion designers out
of business and use the money saved for more productive ventures -- like
geeky stuff! (grin)

Mike Freeman


-----Original Message-----
From: nfbwatlk [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi Moerke
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 7:56 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] question about wearing sunglasses - Email found in
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I am totally with you Noel, On the subject of geeky looking canes. The
honest to God truth is that most canes on the market are freaking ugly!

Respectfully,
Jedi

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 13, 2013, at 5:13 PM, "Nightingale, Noel" <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov>
wrote:

> Stephanie and others:
> 
> Most of us started out with some or full sight.  I believe it is about 20
percent of the blind or less are born blind.
> 
> Getting to the point, I know many, many blind people, both totally blind
and partially blind, who care about their appearance.  Just like some
sighted people don't seem to care about their appearance, some blind people
don't either.  I participated in a training at work last week conducted by a
trainer contracted for by my employer.  The trainer was fat and wore a tight
t-shirt that was both inappropriate for the setting and emphasized his
weight.  He didn't seem to care much about his appearance and he is sighted.
> 
> You are not rare in being blind and caring about your appearance. I care
about my appearance, but even though my eyes may not appear "normal," I
don't plan on wearing sunglasses as I think that would not be consistent
with current standards for dress and I also think it would harm my own
self-esteem as it would make me feel like I have to hide my blindness.  
> 
> I spend a lot on my hair to make sure I am keeping up with current styles
and my hair color complement me as I age.  I am careful to get a sense of
what my coworkers wear and I dress in a similar manner than them or better.
(It is often said that one should dress for the position one would like to
have rather than the one they are in.)  I spend more on my clothes than I
should so that I keep up with current fashion trends.  
> 
> I also care about the appearance of my blindness-related tools.  I find
that most white canes besides not being effective look geeky, and I prefer
the NFB's sleek, long fiberglass or carbon fiber white canes  By the way,
you can get a free one off the NFB website.  I care about my watch, so I use
a braille watch rather than a talking one as I don't like interrupting
conversations or meetings with the talking and because I find the braille
watches to be nicer looking.
> 
> This has been a fascinating conversation and I hope it continues as I
assume many others on this list have views on this topic and I don't recall
it ever having been raised before.
> 
> Noel nightingale
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Stephanie Koetje
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:32 AM
> To: 'NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] question about wearing sunglasses - Email 
> found in subject
> 
> I've only been blind for 7 years and it sounds like I'm one of the rare
ones who cares about my appearance. I wear a shell in one eye because my
eyeball is shrunken and foggy-looking. Not sure if it's because I had sight
for 26 years but I'm able to open my eyes all the way and look almost
directly in people's eyes. Could this be because I've had sight? This is
only for myself. I would not judge or think differently of anyone who didn't
wear shells over shrunken, foggy-looking eyes.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gloria Whipple [mailto:glowhi at centurylink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 9:30 AM
> To: 'NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] question about wearing sunglasses - Email 
> found in subject
> 
> Either did mine.
> 
> I where the shells for cosmetic purposes.
> 
> Gloria Whipple
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike 
> Freeman
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 19:06
> To: 'NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] question about wearing sunglasses
> 
> I don't know why people worry about this so much. Dr. Jernigan's eyes
never opened that widely, either.
> 
> To me, the only reason for wearing dark glasses is if the face has been
severely disfigured.
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Debby 
> Phillips
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 3:16 PM
> To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] question about wearing sunglasses
> 
> I find this interesting because I have problems with my eyes being half
open sometimes too.  I have wondered if there is some sort of physical
therapy that would help with this but thought it might sound silly.  It is
very hard to always think about whether my eyes are opened or closed or not
so your
> question has definitely struck a note with me.    Peace,  Debby
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Feb 11, 2013, at 1:56 PM, merribeth.manning at comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> As a partial, with no iris, I wear my sunglasses when it is to 
>> bright;
> even if it is indoors sometimes. 
>> 
>> Most of the time I don't wear them inside. 
>> 
>> My step-dad Ray would wear them when he was in public.  I never asked 
>> him
> why. 
>> 
>> I think it is probably a personal preference .  
>> 
>> I have grown up in the NFB and it seems like most totals don't wear 
>> them;
> but there are a few. 
>> 
>> Beth Manning
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Bennett Prows (HHS/OCR)" <Bennett.Prows at HHS.GOV>
>> To: " NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List" < nfbwatlk @ nfbnet .org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:10:06 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ nfbwatlk ] question about wearing sunglasses
>> 
>> Nicely put, Marci. 
>> 
>> My folks used to have me wear glasses with clear lens in them. They 
>> didn't
> like the stereotypes associated with sun glasses, but I'm sure they wanted
me to have attention drawn to my eyes.. When I was a kid, they told me the
glasses would protect my remaining light perception in the eyes from things
I could run into like bushes, etc. 
>> 
>> AS an adult, I took them off for many years. When I wanted a 
>> different
> look some years ago, I got some new clear lens glasses, and got more grief
from blind folks than sighted about my wanting to look good with the
cosmetic glasses. ... Nevertheless, I only wear them now as part of a
costume. 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbwatlk [ mailto : nfbwatlk -bounces@ nfbnet .org] On Behalf 
>> Of
> mjc59 at q.com
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 12:02 PM
>> To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [ nfbwatlk ] question about wearing sunglasses
>> 
>> I have some movement in my eyes, so even though i can see people I 
>> don't
> make eye contact. For me, I would feel like wearing sunglasses would be
hiding behind something and also catering to sighted people's stereotypes
about blindness; that my eyes are somehow ugly and must not be seen by
others. I believe that the way I carry myself and speak to others conveys
who I am. Sighted people who are that hung up about eye contact will always
find something to be uncomfortable about being around a blind person. I
bought a T-shirt at state convention that sums in up, at least for me. It
has the eye chart numbers in 2 columns on either side, and the words in the
middle say (in smaller and smaller print as you look farther down) "I am who
I am. Your approval is not needed" 
>> 
>> When a sighted person does bring up the issue of eye contact I am not
> rude. I just say something like "Yes, my eyes do look different." I might
tell them that I know someone is nearby because I can hear them moving or
their breathing. Then I move the conversation to another subject. 
>> 
>> Well, that's my perspective on the matter. You are a beautiful 
>> person,
> Lauren and as Dr. Jernigan always said; It is respectable to be blind. I
hope we get to see each other again sometime. 
>> 
>> Marci
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kaye Kipp" <kkipp123@ gmail .com>
>> To: " NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List" < nfbwatlk @ nfbnet .org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:19:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ nfbwatlk ] question about wearing sunglasses
>> 
>> Well, I have the same issue with my eyes.  They're usually half 
>> closed,
> but
>> I don't want to wear sunglasses. 
>> 
>> Kaye
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lauren Merryfield " <lauren1@ catliness .com>
>> To: " NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List" < nfbwatlk @ nfbnet .org>
>> Cc: " NFB of California List" <nfbc-info@ nfbnet .org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 2:39 AM
>> Subject: [ nfbwatlk ] question about wearing sunglasses
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I know this may seem odd, but it would be interesting, and possibly 
>>> helpful, to get some feedback about the pros and cons of blind 
>>> people wearing sunglasses.  I know that a long time ago, Dr. 
>>> Jernigan wrote a piece about it but I haven't been able to locate it.
>>> 
>>> In my case, my original eyes were very weird--the right one was 
>>> enlarged and purplish in color.  My left one was small and sunken in.
>>> Kids used
> to
>>> comment on them or ask me about them.  As an adult, I wore sunglasses. 
>>> 
>>> I eventually had both of my eyes removed due to very painful glaucoma.
> So
>>> then I had pretty, blue eyes.  I had the unusual opportunity of 
>>> choosing my eye color.  So I figured that meant I didn't need to 
>>> wear sunglasses anymore.  I also felt kind of like I was hiding behind
the sunglasses.
>>> 
>>> But most of the time, my eyes are half-opened or half-closed, 
>>> whichever way one wants to think about it--like the glass being half 
>>> full or half empty.  Some people assume I am asleep, unapproachable, 
>>> or withdrawn because my eyes are not wide opened.
>>> 
>>> So now I am wondering if I ought to wear sunglasses again.  I could 
>>> try
> it
>>> just to see if sighted people respond better to me or not. 
>>> 
>>> I know I do not have good eye contact and that seems to bother some 
>>> sighted people.
>>> 
>>> Well, there's some food for thought.  Yeah, I know, I always get 
>>> back to the subject of food, hahaha .
>>> Thanks
>>> Lauren
>>> 
>>> advice from my cats: "meow when you feel like it." 
>>> The most basic of all human needs is the need to understand and be 
>>> understood. The best way to understand people is to listen to them.
>>> -- Ralph Nichols
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