[nfbwatlk] Is it illegal to not open your eyes while on a government-issued ID picture or passport?

Becky Frankeberger b.butterfly at comcast.net
Sat Sep 1 02:37:57 UTC 2012


So you can open your eyes. You just do not have the sensation of the muscles
opening or closing your eyes, if I am understanding you.

Try very gently placing the side of your finger mid eye feeling the eyelid
closed.  Move your finger so it is mid eye, then try to open your eyes.  If
you do not have the sensation, not sure if anything will happen.  But try to
look at your finger and that eye might just pop open.  You will feel the
contraction of muscles.  So if you can't physically feel your eyes open,
just trick them, or you could manually ever so gently open the lid with that
finger for the picture.

I had a teacher wounded in Vietnam who could not close one eye, and could
not open the other.  All the sensation was gone. 

I should think people with eyes sown closed after surgery are exceptions.
People with false eyes would have their eyes open, but there would be no
puple recognition software that could identify them in airports or by the
FBI.   

Becky Frankeberger
Butterfly Knitting

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Phone: 360-426-8389
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-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Humberto Avila
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 7:01 PM
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Subject: [nfbwatlk] Is it illegal to not open your eyes while on a
government-issued ID picture or passport?

Hi everyone,

 

I'm here with this question that maybe you can answer for me.

While many of us know, some of us cannot (or perhaps don't know how to) open
our eyes when instructed to in a picture. That applies to people who haven't
had any vision at all, are blind since birth, are currently totally blind,
or have been totally blinded at an early age. I myself, according to the
sighted, cannot open my eyes while taking a picture, especially if it is an
important picture like a state ID. I always say that I can open them, but
they always say that, while I affirm that I have them open, I indeed do not.
Recently, I have come to the conclusion that I perhaps can not control my
eyes because they are not used to seeing other things in distraction. 

 

However, I've come to the question. Do officials at DMV's need to identify
the open eyes while on a photo ID or license? Is not opening the eyes while
on these type of pictures unacceptable, or for that matter, legally
unacceptable? Are there any exceptions that can be made, or at least, should
be made, in order for, say, a totally blind person to be able to appear well
and be identified fully on the picture without having to have the eyes open
because s/he can't control them? While I'm not totally blind, I have light
perception in my left eye and hand motion on the right eye-my blindness is
indeed legitimate. I am not low vision or anything; can't even read print
except for very very large print (like 40 points).

 

Any answers are appreciated. I would like to open it up for discussion as
well.

 

 

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