[nfbwatlk] More Food for Thought

Fri May 16 23:43:51 CDT 2008

I think that they probably do but they are sure wrong for doing it. I sure
think that blind people should only use paratransit as a last resort. 

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[mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces+lesfitz=comcast.net at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 10:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] More Food for Thought

Mike and All,

I definitely agree that reduced fair passes should be granted to those who
have reduced incomes, and especially in situations where someone is
definitely underprivileged. I paid reduced fair on my bus pass for a long
time before I got the WWU student pass. It's nice to have the student pass
because I feel better about myself. It's part of my tuition, and it reminds
me that I'm doing something about achieving something much more comfortable
than SSI. In the meantime, the reduced fairs are definitely helpful.

So what about para transit? I'm not one to judge, but I definitely believe
that some blind people could branch out and take fixed route more often.
Doing so would do a couple of things. First, it would help them get to know
their area a little better, it would give them an opportunity to interact
with a larger segment of the community, it would help with mobility
practice, and it would grant more opportunities for exercise. Here's a
question: do you all think that perspective employers judge para transit
users differently from fixed route users?

Respectfully,
Jedi

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[mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces+blindjedi=clearwire.net at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Mike Freeman
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:41 PM
To: NFB of Washington Talk
Subject: [nfbwatlk] More Food for Thought

The following is part of an exchange taking place on another list re use of
fixed-route transit versus paratransit for the blind.

Mike Freeman
... "It is human nature to think wisely and act foolishly." -- Anatole
France

----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Andrews
To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] speaking of transit

Brian:

The disturbing part of your story is that I believe you worked for
the rehab services administration at that time, and some of your
colleagues didn't get it.  These were the diminished expectations
they would pass to state rehab staff that they monitored -- and in
turn those people would expect less of their customers.

Obviously, the thing is more indirect than that, but disturbing 
nonetheless.

Dave

At 11:45 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote:
>I remember when I lived in the Bay Area in California I felt that I 
>earned
>enough where I ought to pay full fare for riding the transit system, 
>but I
>swear it was a constant struggle to get the drivers to accept my 
>money... I
>would ask what the fare was supposed to be and they would always give 
>me the
>discounted fare.  When I asked what the full fare was they would freak 
>out,
>acting like I asked for their cvredit card number or something.  After 
>a
>while, I just gave up trying -- I also learned what the rides cost and 
>would
>just put in the full fare without asking.
>
>The interesting thing was the impact this had on some of my work 
>colleagues
>with whom I would occasionally travel -- they were shocked that I would 
>do
>this... I told them I felt it was part of being a fcitizen; that I 
>didn't
>mind that others who honestly couldn't afford the full fare received a
>discount, including the blind, but that I felt I could afford it, and 
>hence
>ought to pay.  Some really respected and were impressed by this, others
>simply thought I was nuts to refuse a discount and didn't understand 
>that
>there are larger costs that one must consider.
>
>Brian
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] speaking of transit
>
>
>Dewey:
>
>I absolutely agree with you. I'm not against reduce fares. But I 
>believe
>they should be granted on the basis of reduced income, not one's age or
>disability. Any other criteria misconstrues the problem and gives the
>wrong impression of blindness.
>
>Mike Freeman
>... "It is human nature to think wisely and act foolishly." -- Anatole
>France
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: dewey bradley
>   To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:57 PM
>   Subject: [Blindtlk] speaking of transit
>
>
>   What do you folks think about the fact that we ride for half the
>price, and in Illinois we ride for free?
>   I know blind people who make over 50, and still will pay half the
>fair, the people who make these laws think that all blind people are
>pore I guess.
>   I've gone to my law makers about getting It set to where you have to
>prove you're low income to get the reduced fair cards, but no one will
>even talk to me about It.
>   maybe If those of us that make good money would pay the full fair,
>maybe we would have better services.
>   I don't make much money right now, but I used to make almost 16 
> bucks
>an hour, I should have been made to pay the full fair.
>   So what do you think about that?
>   I can see doing It for seniors and vets
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