[nfbwatlk] More Food for Thought

[Alco Canfield]

Hello, all,

I think this is a tremendous discussion.  I have always felt that bus fares should be reduced for those on fixed or limited incomes.

But let's take this to the next step or at least another step.  How about the extra deduction on income tax?  How about the free passesstreduced fees for parks?  And don't forget the amount of money we can make before losing SSDI, much more than what a qudraplegic or someone who is deaf receives.

Where does it end?  I gmuess, after all, that it is an individual decision.

Alco Canfield

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Freeman <k7uij at panix.com>
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 3:41 PM
To: NFB of Washington Talk <nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nfbwatlk] More Food for Thought

The following is part of an exchange taking place on another list re use 
of fixed-route transit versus paratransit for the blind.

Mike Freeman
... "It is human nature to think wisely and act foolishly." -- Anatole 
France


----- Original Message ----- 
From: David Andrews
To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] speaking of transit


Brian:

The disturbing part of your story is that I believe you worked for
the rehab services administration at that time, and some of your
colleagues didn't get it.  These were the diminished expectations
they would pass to state rehab staff that they monitored -- and in
turn those people would expect less of their customers.

Obviously, the thing is more indirect than that, but disturbing 
nonetheless.

Dave

At 11:45 AM 5/16/2008, you wrote:
>I remember when I lived in the Bay Area in California I felt that I 
>earned
>enough where I ought to pay full fare for riding the transit system, 
>but I
>swear it was a constant struggle to get the drivers to accept my 
>money... I
>would ask what the fare was supposed to be and they would always give 
>me the
>discounted fare.  When I asked what the full fare was they would freak 
>out,
>acting like I asked for their cvredit card number or something.  After 
>a
>while, I just gave up trying -- I also learned what the rides cost and 
>would
>just put in the full fare without asking.
>
>The interesting thing was the impact this had on some of my work 
>colleagues
>with whom I would occasionally travel -- they were shocked that I would 
>do
>this... I told them I felt it was part of being a fcitizen; that I 
>didn't
>mind that others who honestly couldn't afford the full fare received a
>discount, including the blind, but that I felt I could afford it, and 
>hence
>ought to pay.  Some really respected and were impressed by this, others
>simply thought I was nuts to refuse a discount and didn't understand 
>that
>there are larger costs that one must consider.
>
>Brian
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
>To: "NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:30 PM
>Subject: Re: [Blindtlk] speaking of transit
>
>
>Dewey:
>
>I absolutely agree with you. I'm not against reduce fares. But I 
>believe
>they should be granted on the basis of reduced income, not one's age or
>disability. Any other criteria misconstrues the problem and gives the
>wrong impression of blindness.
>
>Mike Freeman
>... "It is human nature to think wisely and act foolishly." -- Anatole
>France
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: dewey bradley
>   To: NFBnet Blind Talk Mailing List
>   Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:57 PM
>   Subject: [Blindtlk] speaking of transit
>
>
>   What do you folks think about the fact that we ride for half the
>price, and in Illinois we ride for free?
>   I know blind people who make over 50, and still will pay half the
>fair, the people who make these laws think that all blind people are
>pore I guess.
>   I've gone to my law makers about getting It set to where you have to
>prove you're low income to get the reduced fair cards, but no one will
>even talk to me about It.
>   maybe If those of us that make good money would pay the full fair,
>maybe we would have better services.
>   I don't make much money right now, but I used to make almost 16 
> bucks
>an hour, I should have been made to pay the full fair.
>   So what do you think about that?
>   I can see doing It for seniors and vets
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