[nfbwatlk] Food for Thought

Mon May 5 21:00:25 CDT 2008

Hi,
I remember a leader of a church group getting really mad at me, in front of 
everybody, when I said that it was okay for me to be blind.  I told him his 
cat understood, and he didn't even believe that!
Thanks
Lauren
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
To: "NFB of Washington Talk" <nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 6:54 PM
Subject: [nfbwatlk] Food for Thought

The folowing discussion is evolving on the NFB of California list.
Please read down thru the exchange to see how it came about; the
original catalyst was a discussion of a 5K run or walk as a fund-raiser
and way to demonstrate the capabilities of the blind. It has evolved as
you see below.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Jim Barbour
To: NFB of California List
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 9:37 AM
Subject: [Nfbc-info] Younger NFB members and our philosophy

[changing the subject, since this is no longer about the fundraiser]

Hey Tina and all,

So, i really agree with you that we need to find better ways to
connect with and teach our philosophy to younger Federationists.  Our
student division has done some of this, and I think we should help
them do more.

Very few people buy the analogy that blindness is a characteristic
when they first hear it.  Few people read "Blindness, Handicapped
or Characteristic" and immediately go "yes, I buy it!"

People have to talk about it, express their doubts, hear others
express their doubts, and then hear others express how they came to
understand this philosophy.  It happens over time, like any good
belief system.

I think that it would be a fine thing if we could set up one of more
philosophy workshops at state convention to talk about our
philosophy.  Not preach it, not cram it down people's throats, but
talk about it.  Play a few speeches, the dish washing tape, and some
other things and talk about them.

I would be willing to set this up.  What do others think?

Jim

On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 09:19:53AM -0700, tina thomas  wrote:
> Hi Jim and all,  I think that Mike's thought was that guide dog users
> weren't mentioned which could lead to some misunderstandings about the
> Federation and its views on guide dog users and blindness in as A
> whole.
> Recently I have had an opportunity to speak to some of our new and
> younger
> members who are vary new to the Federation and they have raised a lot
> of
> questions about the Federation and our Philosophy and our views on
> blindness. I must tell you that those folks feel alienated and
> confused
> about who we are and what we do. My question is, how can we as
> Federationists teach our philosophy without alienating them and  just
> saying
> that blindness is A characteristic  because our new and younger
> members  are
> not buying   that analogy. It seems that we need to treat blindness as
> A
> progressive journey so that people who are new to the Federation are
> aloud
> to go through the process of blindness and  eventually get to the
> point
> where blindness becomes A non  factor  and who better to assist them
> with
> this process then those of us who have gone through this process and
> who are
> still on the journey. Maybe we could set up A mentoring committee to
> work on
> this. I think in the long run this will help us with building
> membership and
> also keep people in our wonderful organization.
> Warm Regards,
> Tina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbc-info-bounces+tinadt=sbcglobal.net at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces+tinadt=sbcglobal.net at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Jim
> Barbour
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2008 7:02 AM
> To: NFB of California List
> Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] NFBC fund raising idea
>
> So, I doubt Lisamaria was suggesting that we blindfold the sighted
> folks and
> then put canes in their hands.
>
> I'm guessing that canes would be used as props by those who don't need
> to
> use them for mobility.  The point is simply to have a lot of people,
> some/many of them blind, all using canes during the run.  This will
> get
> noticed and written about.
>
> As for guide dog users, it would be totally up to them.  If they
> wanted to
> use a cane, they could.  If they wanted to use their dogs, they could
> do
> that as well.  I don't think there's anything insensitive about it.
>
> Jim
>
> On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 11:30:15PM -0700, Michael Peterson wrote:
> >     Hi LisaMaria. Overall I like your idea except the cane part.
> > First because we have guide dog users.
> > I know they could use canes but that seems insensative.
> > Second even with some minor instruction I don't think I'd want
> > untrained sighted people trying to properly use a cane, not for a
> > run,
> > maybe for a blindness demonstration or a guided supervised
> > walk--supervised by blind members of course.
> > I can just imagine sighted people of all ages running arround with
> > canes That could give the impression that anyone with minimal
> > training
> > can be expert in mobility.
> > Kind of reminds me of a bulletin our apartment sent out a while back
> > talking about blind people and "their sticks"  One of the blind
> > girls
> > here calls her cane a stick so we now use sticks.  Maybe we could
> > have
> > a camp out rub two of those sticks together for our camp fire.
> > Mobility is important and putting a sighted person under a blindfold
> > with a cane might give one a sense of what blindness is about but
> > even
> > if you trained a sighted walker most likely he she wouldn't use the
> > cane
> properly.
> > Also by putting canes in the hands of sighted walkers it could
> > appear
> > we are trying to artificially inflate the number of blind
> > participants.
> > When we brain storm though sometimes things slip through in great
> > ideas.
> > It's one of those things we just don't catch which is why I'm really
> > glad you brought up this discussion.
> >  I remember once we were doing a fundraiser for the San Fernando
> > Valley.  I don't remember what the theme was but something very
> > close
> > to what your suggesting now.  I was going to try to obtain a Falcon
> > to
> > act as our mascot because of the birds keen vision.
> > In talking with Nancy and some of the others who were board members
> > back than a valid point was made.  Falcon's have to wear hoods over
> > their eyes while in captivity in a mascot type situation.
> > We decided the idea of the falcon with the hood over it's eyes could
> > actually be seen in a counterproductive light.
> > So we scrapped my mascot idea.
> > The bike a thon walkathon was a success even without it.
> > That was in the 70's 80's  aproximately.
> >
> > I really like your beach walk up the coast idea maybe from San Diego
> > to Santa Monica or even up to san francisco.  I think I'd like it in
> > the spring or summer though because it would be warmer.  Maybe at
> > various points in the walk press events could be held with barbecues
> > for the walkers and chapters in the San diego, Santamonnica/Los
> > angeles, San Frrancisco areas could hold these sponsoring events.
> > You
> > could even have local blind performers entertain and maybe set up a
> > craft
> fair at the end of the walk.
> > Definitely get the colleges and high schools involved too!
> > With the current ecconamic down turn we might need to consider some
> > out of the box type fund raising aproaches.
> >
> >
> > Mike Peterson
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lisamaria Martinez" <lmartinez217 at gmail.com>
> > To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:46 PM
> > Subject: [Nfbc-info] NFBC fund raising idea
> >
> >
> > Hey,
> >
> > I thought I wrote all I would need to write in my last email, but
> > here's an idea to put funds in our treasury:
> >
> > How about a Run for Freedom? Feel free to change the title. There
> > are
> > all these walks / runs for all these causes, why not make one for
> > us?
> > It could be a 5 K, a 10 K, a 3 day walk up the coast of California.
> > I
> > would totally get into shape for something like that. We don't even
> > have to be the only participants. We could get family members and
> > friends involved to raise money. And we should be able to get
> > sponsors
> > for the event. We can hold the event in October. And, everyone would
> > have to use a cane. We can train everyone who signs up with easy,
> > not
> > so technical cane lessons and get them going. It would be fantastic
> > PR
> > and we could easily raise thousands of dollars if we marketed the
> > event in
> just the right way.
> >
> > Any takers? Okay, maybe Run for Freedom is a terrible name. We could
> > call it the Braille Run and market it as a Braille Literacy
> > fundraiser. Or another name for the event could be the Running of
> > the
> > Canes! We can market it as a fundraising to put canes in the hands
> > of
> > blind children. I think this can work my fellow Federationists.
> >
> > Lisamaria
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonathan Lyens" <jonathan at lyens.com>
> > To: "NFB of California List" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:33 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> >
> > Hey Nicolás,
> >
> > My "suggestions" are better classified as an at the spur of the
> > moment
> > brain dump. These ideas were meant less to suggest new policies for
> > the affiliate, and more to provoke thoughtful discussion in this
> > area.
> > I would love to hear other thoughts from members on how we can
> > enhance
> > the second most useful piece of PR we have (1st of which being, our
> > own
> members, of course).
> >
> > As you stated, an improved website can help both recruitment and
> > fund
> > raising. I'm particularly worried about the fund raising part,
> > especially if deficit spending is an acceptable common practice.
> > There
> > are town's in California with smaller deficits, and I find a figure
> > of
> $100,000 alarming.
> >
> > JMO
> >
> >
> > Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
> > Email: jonathan at lyens.com
> > Fax: (321) 256-8896
> > Skype: jlyens
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbc-info-bounces+jonathan=lyens.com at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces+jonathan=lyens.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of
> > nlibre at gmail.com
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 10:20 PM
> > To: 'NFB of California List'
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> > Hello Jonathan,
> >
> > To answer question 2, there is no line item in the 2008 budget
> > identified for spending on the website beyond assistance from a
> > reader
> > if it is necessary.  The amount you propose for the year for a
> > webmaster
> is $2,700.
> > The 2008 budget projects a deficit of approximately $100,000.  It
> > would be up to the Board to decide whether the expense is warranted.
> >
> > While I can see how the argument could be made for the expense since
> > it could help the overall recruitment and fundraising capacity of
> > the
> > organization, I would suggest a different course.  Since the website
> > is part of our communication system, perhaps it could be the
> > responsibility of the affiliate Secretary.  Another option might be
> > making the website a responsibility of one of the 6 Board members
> > that
> > do not have any particular assignment.  Instead of creating a new
> > elected position or looking at paying for 15 hours of what could be
> > volunteer service, I think we need to look to the leadership and
> > resources
> that already exist.
> >
> > In any case, your suggestions are refreshing and I expect we will
> > have
> > some discussion at the Board level before too long.
> >
> > Nicolás
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbc-info-bounces+nlibre=gmail.com at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces+nlibre=gmail.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > Jonathan Lyens
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 9:00 PM
> > To: NFB of California List
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> > Hi Robert,
> >
> > I appreciate you responding to the questions that have been raised
> > here on the list serve in the past few days. I have a couple of
> > thoughts, not really reusing a direct response, just some things to
> > contemplate as the affiliate moves forward through national & state
> conventions.
> >
> > 1. The ability to offer these grants to members of the NFBC is a
> > rare
> > privilege. I think that it is wonderful that we have had the funding
> > available to do this. However, I'm troubled by the fact that we
> > cannot
> > seem to find candidates for all of these grants. Basically what
> > we're
> > saying here is that we literally, cannot give our money away! I find
> > that hard to believe, so it makes me wonder what else can be going
> > wrong.
> >
> > My initial thought is that people must not know about these grants.
> > If
> > that is the case, I would like to see some strategy generated about
> > how to increase marketing of these grants to both old and new
> > members.
> > Many of my original thoughts are already being done, such as placing
> > announcements in the monthly bulletins and on the list serve. But,
> > what about a place in the Journal, and on the NFBC website.
> >
> > 2. I am quite concerned about the website. Our affiliate homepage is
> > our face the the world. I think that many would agree that our
> > current
> > site is not the face we would like to put forward to the world. I
> > wonder about having a dedicated webmaster? This could either be an
> > elected position, or we could even explore the idea of contracting
> > this position out. I am confident we could find a small shop to do
> > this job for cheep. At the bare minimum, we could try to work our
> > network to find a college student to do it.
> >
> > If we are budgeting an amount each year for our grants, and we are
> > not
> > using it, perhaps we can realize some budgetary savings there and
> > reappropriate that money towards a part time webmaster. For our
> > immediate needs, I don't see how we could possibly need a webmaster
> > for more than 10-15 hours a month. At $15 an hour, for 15 hours,
> > that's
> $225 a month.
> >
> > Nicolás, how do these ideas rectify with our current budgetary
> expenditures?
> >
> >
> > I hope to hear the thoughts of all members of the list.
> >
> > Best-
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
> > Jonathan T. Lyens MPA
> > Email: jonathan at lyens.com
> > Fax: (321) 256-8896
> > Skype: jlyens
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbc-info-bounces+jonathan=lyens.com at nfbnet.org
> > [mailto:nfbc-info-bounces+jonathan=lyens.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Robert Stigile
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 8:39 PM
> > To: NFB of California List
> > Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> > Hello All,
> > The NFBC grants are awarded on a first come basis.
> > This means, that as the grants arrive in the office, we place them
> > in
> > a folder in the order they came in.
> > When the deadline has passed, we look at the number of grants and do
> > are best to award them to everyone.
> > As long as we have been giving these grants, we have not met the
> > maximum, which means that everyone who has applied in the past, has
> > received them.  Though we have been fortunate to do so, we may not
> > always be able to do this.
> > As for the Radcliff grant, we generally have the ability to give
> > 6 or 8 grants each year.
> > These grants are awarded to those who have never attended convention
> > before, as well as for those who have attended, but have not
> > received
> > the grant before.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It was my intentions, that the grant forms would be available on the
> > web site, so that people could fill them out and return them through
> > the Office e-mail address.
> > Brian Buhrow and Tiffany Manosh were working on this, but for some
> > reason it did not happen.
> > Since there seems to be some people who did not have a chance to
> > submit there grant forms, I am extending the deadline to submit the
> > forms to the office.
> > The new date is now Saturday, May 10th.
> > I have asked Tiffany to find away to put these forms on the web site
> > so that they can be sent in this week, and she has done that.
> > Thank you,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert Stigile, President
> > National Federation of the Blind of California
> >
> >
> >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "tina thomas " <tinadt at sbcglobal.net
> > >To: "'NFB of California List'" <nfbc-info at nfbnet.org Date sent:
> > >Sun,
> > >4 May 2008 14:37:45 -0700
> > >Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> > >Dear Nicolás, Thank you for the clarification on who is in charge
> > of the
> > >NFBC website.  Also there has been some questions about our
> > general travel
> > >grants and first timer  radcliffe grants.  Please give us the
> > procedure on
> > >how those grants are given out and why those documents are not
> > accessible
> > >on our NFBC website.
> > >Thank you.
> > >Tina
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: nfbc-info-bounces+tinadt=sbcglobal.net at nfbnet.org
> > >[mailto:nfbc-info-bounces+tinadt=sbcglobal.net at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of
> > >nlibre at gmail.com
> > >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:22 PM
> > >To: 'NFB of California List'
> > >Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> > >Hello Jonathan, Bryan, and everyone else,
> >
> > >Everything you both are saying is extremely appropriate and long
> > over due.
> > >Bravo!
> >
> > >This issue was brought up at the 2006 State Convention and a
> > committee was
> > >created at that time to coordinate the affiliate website.  I
> > recall that
> > >Tiffany Manosh was appointed these duties.
> >
> > >The Board has been very focused on member recruitment and
> > development over
> > >the last few months in particular and I would suggest that we
> > request a
> > >report from Tiffany about the plan to improve the website at the
> > next Board
> > >meeting.
> >
> > >Nicolás
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: nfbc-info-bounces+nlibre=gmail.com at nfbnet.org
> > >[mailto:nfbc-info-bounces+nlibre=gmail.com at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> > Of Jonathan
> > >Lyens
> > >Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 9:47 PM
> > >To: NFB of California List
> > >Subject: Re: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> > >Hi Bryan and All,
> >
> > >This is an interesting point.  I am a strong believer in the fact
> > that your
> > >homepage is your face to the world.  Often, this is the first
> > thing that
> > >people see when they hear about you.  Either they have heard
> > about your
> > >organization through word of mouth and have decided to look you
> > up online to
> > >learn more, or are just starting research, and have turned to
> > Google as a
> > >research tool.
> >
> > >I truly believe that having a sub-standard website reflects
> > poorly upon the
> > >Federation, and all the hard work and blood sweat and tears we
> > all put into
> > >it.
> >
> > >I'm confident that we can find a way to get some one dedicated to
> > this job.
> > >Its easy for the website to be something that slides to the
> > bottom of the
> > >list of priorities in an organization.  Its often something that
> > can wait
> > >until later.
> >
> > >I would be happy to assist this process where possible.  Perhaps
> > this is a
> > >discussion item for state convention?
> >
> > >Best-
> > >Jonathan
> >
> >
> > >Jonathan T.  Lyens MPA
> > >Email: jonathan at lyens.com
> > >Fax: (321) 256-8896
> > >Skype: jlyens
> >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: nfbc-info-bounces+jonathan=lyens.com at nfbnet.org
> > >[mailto:nfbc-info-bounces+jonathan=lyens.com at nfbnet.org] On
> > Behalf Of Bryan
> > >Bashin
> > >Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 11:55 AM
> > >To: NFBC Info at NFBNet
> > >Subject: [Nfbc-info] Convention scholarships
> >
> > >Hi all,
> >
> > >I just went to our website, nfbcal.org and couldn't find any
> > information or
> > >forms for how a person could apply for the general national
> > convention
> > >scholarship or the Radcliff first-timer convention scholarship
> > I know a
> > >few very promising people who would benefit from going to
> > convention and
> > >they  told me they can't find out anything about such
> > scholarships on the
> > >website.
> >
> >
> > >I also noticed that the main page of the website says it was last
> > updated in
> > >February 2007..  And the current event section highlights events
> > such as
> > >CTEVH which are long passed.
> >
> > >So I looked a little further on our website and here's what I
> > found:
> >
> >
> > >The legislative link does not include any of our current
> > legislative
> > >initiatives such as those we've recently discussed on our
> > >listserv.     In fact the most-recent legislation mentioned is a
> > >couple of years old.
> >
> > >The CABS "Upcoming events" link highlights just one event which
> > happened in
> > >2006.
> >
> >
> > >There is no mention of when or where our next state convention
> > will be.
> >
> > >The Board of Directors link says that the list is for 2006-2007.
> >
> >
> > >I am not sure whether keeping the website up to date is the
> > >responsibility of our paid staff or someone else, but this is a
> > >valuable tool to help the affiliate achieve its goals and should
> > be
> > >kept current.  After all, vastly more people will look at our
> > website
> > >than our subscribed to our listserv, and to bring in new people
> > we
> > >must highlight our current activities and achievements.
> >
> > >Cordially,
> >
> >
> > >Bryan Bashin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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