[nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals

[Alco Canfield]

Oh, Gary, with enough years, we will all probably be hard of hearing anyway
so the audible signals won't matter.  Let's just hope they do something re
those new hybrids.

Alco  

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Behalf Of Mackenstadt, Gary
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:36 AM
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Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals

Alco, I understand.  The lack of traffic safety is a serious issue.
Downtown Seattle reminds me of Boston, and that is not good.  Audible street
signals are here whether I like it or not.  I am not certain what criteria
should be used to determine where the damn things should be located.  As a
taxpayer, I will add it to my list of stuff I do not like paying for.  Now,
if I end up with a loud one outside my bedroom window, I may cease being
passive.

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Of course, Gary.  Listening to the traffic is the bottom line.  I would just
like the convenience that the signal would offer on short lights so I could
save time.  

Alco
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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:52 AM
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Alco, even with a short signal, I do not think that an audible street signal
does anything.  There is no alternative to listening for the traffic.

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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 5:05 PM
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Hi, Gary,

The only time I think audible signals make sense is when the light is very
short.  By the time you spend five seconds analyzing traffic, you have
little time to get across.  In that instance, I think it makes sense, but I
fear, as you do, that people will use the beep or chirp exclusively and not
pay attention to the traffic.

Alco

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Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals

Hey, Noel.  I think you and I agree that audible street signals suck and are
totally unnecessary.  I will never understand the logic of them, although I
recognize that they are here to stay.  Somehow, the public believes that
audible street signals safeguard the crossing of blind people.  Today, I was
out downtown at Second and Spring.  I happened to be walking with someone.A
car ran the red light.  I had no trouble hearing it, but I could not help
but think those individuals, including some blind people, believe that
audible street signals are safe.  They are not.  No one, including the
sighted, should use the street signal to cross an intersection.  Listen for
the flow of traffic.  Audible street signals are another example of our path
to hell being paved with misguided thinking about the blind. 

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From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:44 PM
To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals


NFB of Washington listers:

Earlier this week, I traveled in a different part of downtown Seattle
than the area of downtown I ordinarily traverse.  It was then that I
discovered that there are now audible pedestrian traffic signals at
least two intersections along Virginia Street.  I suspect they were put
in as a part of construction that is occurring in the area.

I found the audible signals to be less distracting than the ones I have
previously encountered.  The level of volume did not interfere with the
sound of traffic.  On the other hand, they seem to be at places that are
fairly straight forward crossings, as opposed to the five-way
intersection that is a block north at Olive street.

I'd be curious to hear of anyone else's experiences with respect to the
increased installation of audible traffic signals in their neck of the
woods.

Noel


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