[nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals

[Jacob Struiksma]

the single needs to be longer for people to walk safe across the street. do 
not need audible singles.  The audible single blocks out the car noise and 
make it hard to here the traffic and this then becomes a safety issue.   I 
hate audible  singles.  People need to listen to  what is going around with 
the cars as blind and sighted people.  I notice that a lot of sighted people 
do not listen and look around at what is going on at the intersection with 
traffic.  The sighted people just look at the walk or do not walk light is 
not good.  Some traffic will run red lights and other traffic might be left 
turning as the walk single is green.  The other thing that are so many 
places that sidewalk is broken or there is no sidewalk to walk safe.  The 
money that is spend on the bad audible  single needs to be spent on fixing 
the sidewalks.  I walk many miles a day and know how bad the sidewalks are.
from
fast walker
Jacob Struiksma
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alco Canfield" <amcanfield at comcast.net>
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Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals


Of course, Gary.  Listening to the traffic is the bottom line.  I would just
like the convenience that the signal would offer on short lights so I could
save time.

Alco
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Sent: Monday, September 24, 2007 6:52 AM
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Alco, even with a short signal, I do not think that an audible street signal
does anything.  There is no alternative to listening for the traffic.

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Hi, Gary,

The only time I think audible signals make sense is when the light is very
short.  By the time you spend five seconds analyzing traffic, you have
little time to get across.  In that instance, I think it makes sense, but I
fear, as you do, that people will use the beep or chirp exclusively and not
pay attention to the traffic.

Alco

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Mackenstadt, Gary
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals

Hey, Noel.  I think you and I agree that audible street signals suck and are
totally unnecessary.  I will never understand the logic of them, although I
recognize that they are here to stay.  Somehow, the public believes that
audible street signals safeguard the crossing of blind people.  Today, I was
out downtown at Second and Spring.  I happened to be walking with someone.A
car ran the red light.  I had no trouble hearing it, but I could not help
but think those individuals, including some blind people, believe that
audible street signals are safe.  They are not.  No one, including the
sighted, should use the street signal to cross an intersection.  Listen for
the flow of traffic.  Audible street signals are another example of our path
to hell being paved with misguided thinking about the blind.

-----Original Message-----
From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
Behalf Of Nightingale, Noel
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 12:44 PM
To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nfbwatlk] Alert about increase in audible traffic signals


NFB of Washington listers:

Earlier this week, I traveled in a different part of downtown Seattle
than the area of downtown I ordinarily traverse.  It was then that I
discovered that there are now audible pedestrian traffic signals at
least two intersections along Virginia Street.  I suspect they were put
in as a part of construction that is occurring in the area.

I found the audible signals to be less distracting than the ones I have
previously encountered.  The level of volume did not interfere with the
sound of traffic.  On the other hand, they seem to be at places that are
fairly straight forward crossings, as opposed to the five-way
intersection that is a block north at Olive street.

I'd be curious to hear of anyone else's experiences with respect to the
increased installation of audible traffic signals in their neck of the
woods.

Noel


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