[nfbwatlk] Fw: FW:TCRP Request for Comments

Wed Oct 10 21:48:59 CDT 2007

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Janet Barlow
To: Discussion of new quiet cars and pedestrian safety
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Quietcars] FW:TCRP Request for Comments

The forwarded message copied below my signature might be of interest
to individuals on this list.  The problem statement on Quiet Cars is #5.
Janet Barlow

Dear TRB Committee Members and Friends,

Two of the full research statements that were developed by TRB
Accessible Transportation and Mobility Committee members and friends
have made it through the TOPS review process and are being considered
for funding in 2008.  They are:

"Quiet Cars: Threats to Safe Travel for Blind Pedestrians"
"A Handbook for Lighting in Transit and Pedestrian Environments"

TCRP is requesting comments from the industry on these and other
possible research topics.  Comments need to be submitted to tcrp at nas.edu
by next Wednesday, October 17.  The call for comments as well as the
full list of research topics being considered (and the full text of
these and other topics) can be found at
www.trb.org/NotesDocs/2008TCRPProblems.pdf.

I would encourage each of you to indicate your support for these
research topics.  It is important that we continue to keep accessibility
and mobility issues on the TRB agenda.  I would also encourage you to
send this e-mail to any other organizations or individuals who you think
may have an interest in seeing research on these issues conducted.

Thanks for your help,
Russell Thatcher
Research Subcommittee Co-Chair
rhthatcher at transystems.com

At 02:08 PM 10/10/2007, David Evans wrote:

>Dear All,
>
>This piece clearly demonstrates the danger that Blind and even sighted
>people face from Quiet Cars.
>  The group advocating that all that is needed is greater awareness on 
> the
>part of drivers of such vehicles and the Blind taking greater steps to 
>hear
>something that can not be heard, are trying to ignore the elephant in 
>the
>room.
>We, as Blind pedestrians know full well just how little attention and
>respect drivers show our White Canes and Guide Dogs which is  zip.
>I have experienced these Quiet Cars for myself and know 3 friends who 
>own
>them.
>The only sound that the Toyoda Preus makes, that a Blind person can 
>hear, is
>the crunching noise that comes as you and your white cane or guide dog 
>slide
>underneath the bottom of its chasses.
>The motor is not only almost soundless, but they sport low friction, 
>run
>quiet tires for less rolling friction and gas mileage.
>There is nothing , on the part of the Blind person, that can be done, 
>at
>this point, to be able to detect the approach of such vehicles at any 
>speed
>or distance.
>The need for a correction is completely on the car manufacturers to 
>build in
>something the Blind and the sighted, can pick up on auditorily to 
>detect and
>avoid such vehicles.
>This is why setting some kind of standard for vehicle noise levels must 
>be
>studied and set for the safety of all.
>If manufacturers can be sued for making defective and dangerous devices 
>that
>hold and present a clear and present danger to people, then they should 
>and
>can be sued to have that product withdrawn, modified or changed to 
>render it
>safe.
>We are withdrawing millions of Chinese items from the shelves of stores
>because they are painted with lead base paint.  Is this issue no 
>different?
>Can we look at any item and clearly determine if the product is painted 
>with
>lead paint and therefore dangerous to humans?  Who's job is it to make 
>sure
>that a item is safe for the consumer?
>I think that we can all see the benefits of a hybrid electric car and 
>the
>blessings that is can have on our environment.
>Heck, I helped to develop some the first ones back in the late 1960's 
>and
>70's.
>I helped engineer and construct the first cars to go to the Moon in 
>1971 and
>72.  They were electric.
>We must find ways to demonstrate to our legislators and the 
>manufacturers
>that this danger is real and is going to grow and they need to do 
>something
>about it now.
>I don't want my tombstone to read, "He Never Heard It Coming.
>I have been hit twice by hit and run drivers, who were never caught, 
>and I
>don't want to find out if the third time is the charm.
>"
>
>David Evans, NFBF
>Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
>Builder of the Lunar Rovers and the F-117-A Stealth Fighter
>.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nightingale, Noel" <Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov>
>To: <quietcars at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:31 PM
>Subject: [Quietcars] FW: [nfbwatlk] Fw: [acb-l] car sounda
>
>
> > Information about how to hear a hybrid car is below
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> > [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:25 AM
> > To: nfbw
> > Subject: [nfbwatlk] Fw: [acb-l] car sounda
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Terrie Arnold" <tanderson3 at kc.rr.com>
> > To: "PETER POLIEY JR" <blackbelt48 at earthlink.net>; "JOHN VANDERVORT"
> > <justsimplyjohn at hotmail.com>; "peg hall" <mhall1221 at comcast.net>;
> > <acb-l at acb.org>; "MCB List" <missouri-l at acb.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:03 AM
> > Subject: [acb-l] car sounda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Orientation and Mobility [mailto:OANDM at LIST.MSU.EDU] On Behalf 
> > Of
> > GENE BOURQUIN
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:21 PM
> > To: OANDM at LIST.MSU.EDU
> > Subject: car sounda
> >
> > To hear regular and hybrid car sound, listen to this NPR broadcast
> > piece.
> >
> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7555520
> >
> > There is a "listen" button at the site.
> >
> > metta . . .Gene
> > _______________________________________
> >
> > Eugene A. Bourquin, MA, COMS, CI & CT, CLVT
> >
> > visit: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4yqfa/bourquinconsulting/
> >
> > 212 749-9438
> > 917 613-5499 (mobile)
> > 516 944-8900 ext. 284 (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday)
> >
> > "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no 
> > matter
> > if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your 
> > own
> > common sense." - Buddha
> >
> > "They must find it difficult . . . Those who have taken authority as 
> > the
> > truth, rather than truth as the authority." - Gerald Massey
> >
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>
>_______________________________________________
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>Quietcars at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/quietcars

------
Janet M. Barlow, COMS
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist
Accessible Design for the Blind
3 Manila Street
Asheville, NC 28806
770-317-0611
jmbarlow at accessforblind.org
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----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:jmbarlow at accessforblind.org Janet Barlow
To:
mailto:quietcars at nfbnet.org Discussion of new quiet cars and pedestrian safety
Sent:
Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject:
Re: [Quietcars] FW:TCRP Request for Comments
The forwarded message copied below my signature might be of interest
to individuals on this list.  The problem statement on Quiet Cars is #5.
Janet Barlow
Dear TRB Committee Members and Friends,
Two of the full research statements that were developed by TRB
Accessible Transportation and Mobility Committee members and friends
have made it through the TOPS review process and are being considered
for funding in 2008.  They are:
"Quiet Cars: Threats to Safe Travel for Blind Pedestrians"
"A Handbook for Lighting in Transit and Pedestrian Environments"
TCRP is requesting comments from the industry on these and other
possible research topics.  Comments need to be submitted to mailto:tcrp at nas.edu tcrp at nas.edu
by next Wednesday, October 17.  The call for comments as well as the
full list of research topics being considered (and the full text of
these and other topics) can be found at
http://www.trb.org/NotesDocs/2008TCRPProblems.pdf www.trb.org/NotesDocs/2008TCRPProblems.pdf
.
I would encourage each of you to indicate your support for these
research topics.  It is important that we continue to keep accessibility
and mobility issues on the TRB agenda.  I would also encourage you to
send this e-mail to any other organizations or individuals who you think
may have an interest in seeing research on these issues conducted.
Thanks for your help,
Russell Thatcher
Research Subcommittee Co-Chair
mailto:rhthatcher at transystems.com rhthatcher at transystems.com
At 02:08 PM 10/10/2007, David Evans wrote:
>Dear All,
>
>This piece clearly demonstrates the danger that Blind and even sighted
>people face from Quiet Cars.
>  The group advocating that all that is needed is greater awareness on the
>part of drivers of such vehicles and the Blind taking greater steps to hear
>something that can not be heard, are trying to ignore the elephant in the
>room.
>We, as Blind pedestrians know full well just how little attention and
>respect drivers show our White Canes and Guide Dogs which is  zip.
>I have experienced these Quiet Cars for myself and know 3 friends who own
>them.
>The only sound that the Toyoda Preus makes, that a Blind person can hear, is
>the crunching noise that comes as you and your white cane or guide dog slide
>underneath the bottom of its chasses.
>The motor is not only almost soundless, but they sport low friction, run
>quiet tires for less rolling friction and gas mileage.
>There is nothing , on the part of the Blind person, that can be done, at
>this point, to be able to detect the approach of such vehicles at any speed
>or distance.
>The need for a correction is completely on the car manufacturers to build in
>something the Blind and the sighted, can pick up on auditorily to detect and
>avoid such vehicles.
>This is why setting some kind of standard for vehicle noise levels must be
>studied and set for the safety of all.
>If manufacturers can be sued for making defective and dangerous devices that
>hold and present a clear and present danger to people, then they should and
>can be sued to have that product withdrawn, modified or changed to render it
>safe.
>We are withdrawing millions of Chinese items from the shelves of stores
>because they are painted with lead base paint.  Is this issue no different?
>Can we look at any item and clearly determine if the product is painted with
>lead paint and therefore dangerous to humans?  Who's job is it to make sure
>that a item is safe for the consumer?
>I think that we can all see the benefits of a hybrid electric car and the
>blessings that is can have on our environment.
>Heck, I helped to develop some the first ones back in the late 1960's and
>70's.
>I helped engineer and construct the first cars to go to the Moon in 1971 and
>72.  They were electric.
>We must find ways to demonstrate to our legislators and the manufacturers
>that this danger is real and is going to grow and they need to do something
>about it now.
>I don't want my tombstone to read, "He Never Heard It Coming.
>I have been hit twice by hit and run drivers, who were never caught, and I
>don't want to find out if the third time is the charm.
>"
>
>David Evans, NFBF
>Nuclear/Aerospace Materials Engineer
>Builder of the Lunar Rovers and the F-117-A Stealth Fighter
>.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Nightingale, Noel" < mailto:Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov Noel.Nightingale at ed.gov
>
>To: < mailto:quietcars at nfbnet.org quietcars at nfbnet.org
>
>Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 4:31 PM
>Subject: [Quietcars] FW: [nfbwatlk] Fw: [acb-l] car sounda
>
>
> > Information about how to hear a hybrid car is below
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> > On Behalf Of Carl Jarvis
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:25 AM
> > To: nfbw
> > Subject: [nfbwatlk] Fw: [acb-l] car sounda
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Terrie Arnold" < mailto:tanderson3 at kc.rr.com tanderson3 at kc.rr.com
>
> > To: "PETER POLIEY JR" < mailto:blackbelt48 at earthlink.net blackbelt48 at earthlink.net
>; "JOHN VANDERVORT"
> > < mailto:justsimplyjohn at hotmail.com justsimplyjohn at hotmail.com
>; "peg hall" < mailto:mhall1221 at comcast.net mhall1221 at comcast.net
>;
> > < mailto:acb-l at acb.org acb-l at acb.org
>; "MCB List" < mailto:missouri-l at acb.org missouri-l at acb.org
>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 8:03 AM
> > Subject: [acb-l] car sounda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Orientation and Mobility [mailto:OANDM at LIST.MSU.EDU] On Behalf Of
> > GENE BOURQUIN
> > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 4:21 PM
> > To: mailto:OANDM at LIST.MSU.EDU OANDM at LIST.MSU.EDU
> > Subject: car sounda
> >
> > To hear regular and hybrid car sound, listen to this NPR broadcast
> > piece.
> >
> > http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7555520 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7555520
> >
> > There is a "listen" button at the site.
> >
> > metta . . .Gene
> > _______________________________________
> >
> > Eugene A. Bourquin, MA, COMS, CI & CT, CLVT
> >
> > visit: http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4yqfa/bourquinconsulting/ http://mysite.verizon.net/vze4yqfa/bourquinconsulting/
> >
> > 212 749-9438
> > 917 613-5499 (mobile)
> > 516 944-8900 ext. 284 (Tuesday, Thursday, Friday)
> >
> > "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter
> > if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own
> > common sense." - Buddha
> >
> > "They must find it difficult . . . Those who have taken authority as the
> > truth, rather than truth as the authority." - Gerald Massey
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > If you wish to cancel your OANDM list subscription,
> >
> > please send email to mailto:listserv at list.msu.edu listserv at list.msu.edu
containing this
> >
> > command in the body of the message: SIGNOFF OANDM
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > __._,_.___
> > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic
> > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members |
> > Calendar
> >
> > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via
> > email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional
> > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Visit Your
> > Group Yahoo! Groups Get info and support
> >
> > on Samsung HDTVs
> >
> > and devices.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups
> > Be a Better Planet
> >
> > Share with others
> >
> > Help the Planet.
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups
> > Beauty & Fashion
> >
> > Connect & share
> >
> > tips and advice.
> > .
> > __,_._,___
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > --------
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.4/1057 - Release Date:
> > 10/8/2007
> > 9:04 AM
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nfbwatlk mailing list
> > mailto:nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfbwatlk
> > _______________________________________________
> > Quietcars mailing list
> > mailto:Quietcars at nfbnet.org Quietcars at nfbnet.org
> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/quietcars http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/quietcars
>
>_______________________________________________
>Quietcars mailing list
>Quietcars at nfbnet.org
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/quietcars
------
Janet M. Barlow, COMS
Certified Orientation and Mobility Specialist
Accessible Design for the Blind
3 Manila Street
Asheville, NC 28806
770-317-0611
mailto:jmbarlow at accessforblind.org jmbarlow at accessforblind.org
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