[nfbwatlk] Talking Signs

[marty]

just what does that have to do with talking signs?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Noel Nightingale" <nnightingale at earthlink.net>
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Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Talking Signs


> 
> 
> At the national convention, a group of blind guys received a
> demonstration of a hybrid cars.  The consensus was that when the car was
> at slower speeds, it could not be heard.  Jacob was there and can weigh
> in on this.
> 
> In addition, other Federationists have had experiences with these things
> that they cannot be heard.  Just talk to Debbie Kent Stein, Kevan Worley
> (who owns one), and Fred Schroeder.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Mackenstadt, Gary
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:13 AM
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> 
> 
> you will probably want to shoot me the next time you seeme.  It's too
> bad you will not be at the luncheon on Saturday.  I am softening my
> position on so-called quiet cars.  Last week, I came acroos one in
> Sequim.  I was surprised when it went by.  I had no trouble hearing it,
> and I don't hear worth a damn.  It is an issue which we need to look at,
> but I no longer consider it the impending crisis that you do,
> particularly when we think about all of the other traffic issues we have
> to confront. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Noel Nightingale
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:41 AM
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> 
> 
> 
> In addition, the issue of talking signs is a distraction from the real
> problem we are facing.  That is, the real danger to us losing our
> independence.  The issue of quiet cars.  Particularly, when hybrid cars
> are in their electric mode, they cannot be heard until they are going
> quite fast.  That is the issue that government ought to be fixing.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Mackenstadt, Gary
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:28 AM
> To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfbwatlk] Talking Signs
> 
> 
> I have read with interest all of the comments about talking signs. Quite
> frankly, they do not impress me.  Recognizing that I am being extremely
> conservative on blindness issues once again, I still cannot help but
> thinking that we spend a lot of time trying to address the loss of
> sight.  Until blind persons are independent travelers in the world,
> using either long white canes or dogs, it seems to me that a lot of this
> stuff concerning travel and technology is nonsense.  Blind persons have
> travelled very compidently for a long time, provided that they had had
> the necessary training, experience and confidence.  In my judgement,
> technology like audible street signals have been more of a hindrance
> than a help.  Of course, technology has provided blind persons with a
> lot of opportunity, particularly in school and on the job.  Also
> technology available to the general public has created barriers to the
> blind--the list is endless.  Of course, I carry a cell phone all the
> time and have used it a couple of time when lost; so who knows what
> might be next.  Talking signs do nothing for me.  Maybe, I'm just
> narrow-minded.
> 
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