[nfbwatlk] Talking Signs

[Jacob]

I agree with bob.  These issues are issue for every one that wants to walk 
in there community.  I am on the feetfirst policy board, we will be having a 
meeting next week.  Feetfirst works on the walking issues in peoples 
communities.  www.feetfirst.info
Our office is located in downtown Seattle at the intersection of 3rd Avenue 
and Union Street. Our office on the 11th Floor of the Joseph Vance Building
looks out over Benaroya Hall and the Downtown Post Office. Training and 
meetings are usually held in the common meeting rooms on either the 6th or 
5th
Floor.

Feet First
1402 Third Avenue, Suite 1121
Seattle, WA 98101

Telephone: (206) 652-2310

e-mail:
info at feetfirst.info

Fax: please call for fax number.
the director of feetfirst is David and his e-mail is david at feetfirst.info
we do walking audits of communities so then more people will walk and have 
the option to walk in there community
from
Jacob Struiksma
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Sellers" <robertsellers500 at comcast.net>
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Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2006 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Talking Signs


> The quiet cars and the short walk cycles is something we should be
> discussing and proposing corrective actions, but I also think it is
> importent that we don't make it a blindness only issue. Otherwise it makes
> the blind look as though we are looking for special treatment.
>
> Bob
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mike Freeman" <k7uij at panix.com>
> To: "NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List" <nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 10:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Talking Signs
>
>
>> With respect, although the issue of quiet cars should be addressed, I do
>> not think it rises to the level of endangering our independence. Some of
>> us are going to travel, quiet cars or not. And I think it quite likely
>> that the issue of increasingly short WALK cycles poses an equal or
>> greater danger to the blind (as to all other pedestrians) as do quiet
>> cars. Neither danger will be easily or quickly resolved.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Noel Nightingale wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > In addition, the issue of talking signs is a distraction from the real
>> > problem we are facing.  That is, the real danger to us losing our
>> > independence.  The issue of quiet cars.  Particularly, when hybrid cars
>> > are in their electric mode, they cannot be heard until they are going
>> > quite fast.  That is the issue that government ought to be fixing.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>> > On Behalf Of Mackenstadt, Gary
>> > Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:28 AM
>> > To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [nfbwatlk] Talking Signs
>> >
>> >
>> > I have read with interest all of the comments about talking signs.
>> > Quite frankly, they do not impress me.  Recognizing that I am being
>> > extremely conservative on blindness issues once again, I still cannot
>> > help but thinking that we spend a lot of time trying to address the 
>> > loss
>> > of sight.  Until blind persons are independent travelers in the world,
>> > using either long white canes or dogs, it seems to me that a lot of 
>> > this
>> > stuff concerning travel and technology is nonsense.  Blind persons have
>> > travelled very compidently for a long time, provided that they had had
>> > the necessary training, experience and confidence.  In my judgement,
>> > technology like audible street signals have been more of a hindrance
>> > than a help.  Of course, technology has provided blind persons with a
>> > lot of opportunity, particularly in school and on the job.  Also
>> > technology available to the general public has created barriers to the
>> > blind--the list is endless.  Of course, I carry a cell phone all the
>> > time and have used it a couple of time when lost; so who knows what
>> > might be next.  Talking signs do nothing for me.  Maybe, I'm just
>> > narrow-minded.
>> >
>> >
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