[nfbwatlk] Talking Signs

[Jacob]

Hello,
Yes we had a test of these cars and you can not here it when it is going 
slow like in front of the hotel.  We had it go by about ten times and know 
one could here it.  We even open the hood of the car and I had to put my ear 
next to the engine to be able to here the engine.  there is a little sound. 
We went out the street and had the car go much faster like up 40 mile per 
hour then could here it some .
from
Jacob Struiksma
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From: "Noel Nightingale" <nnightingale at earthlink.net>
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>
>
> At the national convention, a group of blind guys received a
> demonstration of a hybrid cars.  The consensus was that when the car was
> at slower speeds, it could not be heard.  Jacob was there and can weigh
> in on this.
>
> In addition, other Federationists have had experiences with these things
> that they cannot be heard.  Just talk to Debbie Kent Stein, Kevan Worley
> (who owns one), and Fred Schroeder.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Mackenstadt, Gary
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 11:13 AM
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>
> you will probably want to shoot me the next time you seeme.  It's too
> bad you will not be at the luncheon on Saturday.  I am softening my
> position on so-called quiet cars.  Last week, I came acroos one in
> Sequim.  I was surprised when it went by.  I had no trouble hearing it,
> and I don't hear worth a damn.  It is an issue which we need to look at,
> but I no longer consider it the impending crisis that you do,
> particularly when we think about all of the other traffic issues we have
> to confront.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Noel Nightingale
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:41 AM
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>
>
> In addition, the issue of talking signs is a distraction from the real
> problem we are facing.  That is, the real danger to us losing our
> independence.  The issue of quiet cars.  Particularly, when hybrid cars
> are in their electric mode, they cannot be heard until they are going
> quite fast.  That is the issue that government ought to be fixing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Mackenstadt, Gary
> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2006 9:28 AM
> To: nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nfbwatlk] Talking Signs
>
>
> I have read with interest all of the comments about talking signs. Quite
> frankly, they do not impress me.  Recognizing that I am being extremely
> conservative on blindness issues once again, I still cannot help but
> thinking that we spend a lot of time trying to address the loss of
> sight.  Until blind persons are independent travelers in the world,
> using either long white canes or dogs, it seems to me that a lot of this
> stuff concerning travel and technology is nonsense.  Blind persons have
> travelled very compidently for a long time, provided that they had had
> the necessary training, experience and confidence.  In my judgement,
> technology like audible street signals have been more of a hindrance
> than a help.  Of course, technology has provided blind persons with a
> lot of opportunity, particularly in school and on the job.  Also
> technology available to the general public has created barriers to the
> blind--the list is endless.  Of course, I carry a cell phone all the
> time and have used it a couple of time when lost; so who knows what
> might be next.  Talking signs do nothing for me.  Maybe, I'm just
> narrow-minded.
>
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