[nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the towel

[Mike Freeman]

Last pitcher I remember that could really hit well was Tommy John 
(speaking of Chicago!). Hit a grand slam for the Beavers once (I think 
you were listening to the game -- it was the second half of a 
double-header -- when do we see *those* anymore?).

Mike

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR) wrote:

> Here in Chicago, I listened to Moyer's first game as a Philly.  He gave
> up 3 runs, but was pretty good, as he can be.  Had to hit though, and
> didn't impress there.
>
> B. P.
>
> Bennett Prows, J.D.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:53 AM
> To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the towel
>
> And so did the M's, miracle of miracles!
>
> Mike
>
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Mackenstadt, Gary wrote:
>
>> You are absolutely right.  Moyer won last night.  I hope he does well.
> In a couple of years, we find out about the two pitchers we received for
> him.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:23 AM
>> To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the
> towel
>>
>>
>> Fan dissatisfaction aside, I agree re Jamie Moyer. Although he wasn't
>> getting enough run support for the most part, he was beginning to have
>> enough rough outings to indicate to me that his glory days might be
>> numbered. It seems to me that this has been the M's problem all along:
>> players are kept one year beyond their most productive periods.
>>
>> I hope Mr. Moyer does well in Philly. If he does, that's no reason to
>> pan the decision to trade him. In a money-driven game, it is
> surprising
>> how often the social dynamic of a group of players makes a large
>> difference in individual and/or team performance.
>>
>> Take Jose Mesa, for instance. As the M's closer, he could do no right!
>> Even with Lou Piniella managing, if Mr. mesa was brought into a game,
> it
>> was pretty-much a certainty that the M's would lose. So he was traded
> to
>> Philadelphia. There he became their ace closer: no one could hit him
> for
>> several years. Go figure!
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Mackenstadt, Gary wrote:
>>
>>> As you know, I am probably a baseball junky.  I think the Moyer move
> was a good one for everyone.  The Mariners are rid of his contract, and
> it opens a spot in the rotation for a new starters, whether that starter
> will come from the Mariner farm system or elsewhere remains to be seen.
> Woods may be a good number five starter.  Hopefully, Felix and Washburn
> will be the only starters back next year.  Apparently, Moyer is happy
> with the trade, although I doubt that Philadelphia will make the
> playoffs.  You know Philadelphia was dumping salary less than a month
> ago.  Baseball is a business.  Contrary to popular belief, baseball has
> historically always been a hard business.  Playing for money is nothing
> new for the players, and teams getting rid of salaries has been around
> since the beginning.  Connie Mack sold his whole infield after the 1914
> season because he did not want to pay them.  As Marx said, money is a
> motivating factor with most things.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:28 AM
>>> To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the
> towel
>>>
>>>
>>> All I can say is a hardy "amen!". However, I think it a bit unfair to
>>> saddle management with Jamie Moyer's trade. There are some
> indications
>>> that he wanted to be traded to a contender. It seems to me that fans
> are
>>> being a bit disingenuous in criticizing Alex Rodriguez and not Moyer
> if
>>> the rumors of his dissatisfaction are true. Not that I blame him. It
>>> does seem if management (both of players directly and of the M's
>>> business strategy) is a bit lackluster. But honestly I don't know
> that I
>>> would have done things much differently. Yes, I'd have tried harder
> to
>>> get Kevin Millwood. But even he has his ups and downs. He looked
> mighty
>>> good when he pitched that no-hitter for Philadelphia in 2002 or 2003
>>> (forget which). But he has his slumps also. And what is a team to do
>>> when Joe Steinbrenner keeps shelling out the big bucks to pick up any
>>> and all decent players? I was shocked when the Phillies traded bobby
>>> Abreyu (sp) to the Yanks. Guess I shouldn't have been.
>>>
>>> In the end, though, I, too, have largely lost interest in the players
> or
>>> even in baseball in general though I'll probably renew my
> subscription
>>> to MLB All Access next season. Maybe I'll root for Atlanta; they seem
> to
>>> blow it about as often as do the M's -- at least in the playoffs!
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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