[nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the towel

[Prows, Bennett (HHS/OCR)]

Here in Chicago, I listened to Moyer's first game as a Philly.  He gave
up 3 runs, but was pretty good, as he can be.  Had to hit though, and
didn't impress there.

B. P.

Bennett Prows, J.D.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
On Behalf Of Mike Freeman
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:53 AM
To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the towel

And so did the M's, miracle of miracles!

Mike

On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Mackenstadt, Gary wrote:

> You are absolutely right.  Moyer won last night.  I hope he does well.
In a couple of years, we find out about the two pitchers we received for
him.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:23 AM
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> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the
towel
>
>
> Fan dissatisfaction aside, I agree re Jamie Moyer. Although he wasn't
> getting enough run support for the most part, he was beginning to have
> enough rough outings to indicate to me that his glory days might be
> numbered. It seems to me that this has been the M's problem all along:
> players are kept one year beyond their most productive periods.
>
> I hope Mr. Moyer does well in Philly. If he does, that's no reason to
> pan the decision to trade him. In a money-driven game, it is
surprising
> how often the social dynamic of a group of players makes a large
> difference in individual and/or team performance.
>
> Take Jose Mesa, for instance. As the M's closer, he could do no right!
> Even with Lou Piniella managing, if Mr. mesa was brought into a game,
it
> was pretty-much a certainty that the M's would lose. So he was traded
to
> Philadelphia. There he became their ace closer: no one could hit him
for
> several years. Go figure!
>
> Mike Freeman
>
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2006, Mackenstadt, Gary wrote:
>
>> As you know, I am probably a baseball junky.  I think the Moyer move
was a good one for everyone.  The Mariners are rid of his contract, and
it opens a spot in the rotation for a new starters, whether that starter
will come from the Mariner farm system or elsewhere remains to be seen.
Woods may be a good number five starter.  Hopefully, Felix and Washburn
will be the only starters back next year.  Apparently, Moyer is happy
with the trade, although I doubt that Philadelphia will make the
playoffs.  You know Philadelphia was dumping salary less than a month
ago.  Baseball is a business.  Contrary to popular belief, baseball has
historically always been a hard business.  Playing for money is nothing
new for the players, and teams getting rid of salaries has been around
since the beginning.  Connie Mack sold his whole infield after the 1914
season because he did not want to pay them.  As Marx said, money is a
motivating factor with most things.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfbwatlk-bounces at nfbnet.org]On
>> Behalf Of Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:28 AM
>> To: NFB of Washington Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [nfbwatlk] Even die-hard M's fans have thrown in the
towel
>>
>>
>> All I can say is a hardy "amen!". However, I think it a bit unfair to
>> saddle management with Jamie Moyer's trade. There are some
indications
>> that he wanted to be traded to a contender. It seems to me that fans
are
>> being a bit disingenuous in criticizing Alex Rodriguez and not Moyer
if
>> the rumors of his dissatisfaction are true. Not that I blame him. It
>> does seem if management (both of players directly and of the M's
>> business strategy) is a bit lackluster. But honestly I don't know
that I
>> would have done things much differently. Yes, I'd have tried harder
to
>> get Kevin Millwood. But even he has his ups and downs. He looked
mighty
>> good when he pitched that no-hitter for Philadelphia in 2002 or 2003
>> (forget which). But he has his slumps also. And what is a team to do
>> when Joe Steinbrenner keeps shelling out the big bucks to pick up any
>> and all decent players? I was shocked when the Phillies traded bobby
>> Abreyu (sp) to the Yanks. Guess I shouldn't have been.
>>
>> In the end, though, I, too, have largely lost interest in the players
or
>> even in baseball in general though I'll probably renew my
subscription
>> to MLB All Access next season. Maybe I'll root for Atlanta; they seem
to
>> blow it about as often as do the M's -- at least in the playoffs!
>>
>> Mike
>>
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