[Nfb-web] FW: RE: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

Tue May 29 21:29:31 CDT 2007

Hello Marvin and listers,

    Concerning Photoshop the assignment may require you to edit or modify a
particular element of a photograph such as the color of the sky for example.
You would need to select only the sky in such photos in order to manipulate
them. Currently there are no screen reader commands that will allow you to
select part, or all of a picture in order to change its appearance. You can
only select images with a mouse. However if Photoshop allows you to make
changes to pictures using dialogue boxes to change resolution, size, with,
height, brightness, contrast, etc without having to first select the photo
to make these changes you can do this using a screen reader. I have done
some of this using the Microsoft Photo Editor and Adobe Fireworks, but we're
limited on what we can do to manipulate the appearance of images.

    As for Flash the only way a blind person could animate objects would be
via Action Script. You would need to learn Action Script prior to being able
to creating Flash animations. In addition you need to know if your
animations are working properly. If there are no audible queues to give you
this information, and many Flash animations don't contain any you'll need
sighted assistance with this part of your project, and to help you with some
of your work in Photoshop discussed above. Unless you have enough vision to
take them yourself you'll need someone to take the pictures for you for the
Photoshop project. I hope this will give you some help with completing your
projects.

Peter Donahue

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From: "marvin hunkin" <marvkin at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 9:05 PM
Subject: [Nfb-web] FW: RE: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

From: "Daniel Longstaff" <Daniel.Longstaff at tafesasouth.org>
To: "marvin hunkin" <marvkin at hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 11:03:13 +0930

Hi Marvin

I'm not quite sure if you understand what will be required in these
subjects. Photoshop and Flash are only the tools being used in these
subjects. The actual assessment is creating and manipulating visual
objects.  For example:

1. In 4MDI you need to be able to capture a number of photographic
images using a digital camera, then use photoshop to manipulate these
images. This involves brightness, contrast, cropping, colour depth,
quality, compression, editting the photo etc. It also involves you be
able to create a images and buttons that can be used in websites.

2. In 4M2D you need to create 2D animations using Flash. Once again this
is all visual and requires little coding. The advanced subject involves
action script.

Regards
Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: marvin hunkin [mailto:marvkin at hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 May 2007 10:36 AM
To: Daniel Longstaff
Subject: FW: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash

From: Robert O'Rourke <rob at sanchothefat.com>
To: marvin hunkin <marvkin at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Photoshop and flash
Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 10:13:50 +0100

marvin hunkin wrote:
 >Hi.
 >doing certificate iv in web site development at my local college.
 >now for second semester, will be using photo shop, to manipulate 2 and
 >3 d objects.
 >now, is there any way to do this accessibly with jaws?
 >also, need to use flash, to create 2 and 3 d buttons, objects, etc.
 >is there an accessible way to code this?
 >let me know asap.
 >cheers Marvin.
 >
 >

Hi Marvin,
     Firstly with regards to using photoshop it has nothing to do with
website accessibility in terms of jaws unless you are putting the
website text into the image which is bad practice for larger blocks of
text. Any text contained in images needs to be in the HTML or in the alt
attribute of <img> tags. Basically what a lot of people doing web design
do these days is design their site in photoshop including the text, the
backgrounds, any icons etc... and then slice that image up in such a way
that they can recreate the design by using css. So long as you maintain
the separation between the content (all text and images) and the design
(the visual representation on screen e.g. background colours, fonts
etc...) then your site should be accessible.

     Flash is currently not accessible to Jaws or any screen readers
although there are methods for only sending it to the people who can use
it. Using flash for buttons is a nice way to create animations however
it is now an old practice. It's better to use animated gifs as link
backgrounds so you can change them via css when you hover over a link.
Saying that you should do what you have to for your course (learning
flash is useful) but ask your tutor about accessibility and the use of
flash so you know what to consider when using it.

     Rob
Hi Daniel.
could you please read this and pass it on to lowan and the other members
of your team.
got some responses from some of the blind mailling lists, regarding web
accessability, photoshop and flash.
cheers Marvin.

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Hi.
can this be done, using Jaws?
cheers Marvin.

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