[Nfb-web] Visual Design Of Websites

[Peter Donahue]

Hello Chris and listers,

And stop lowering the expectations of the blind by proposing such poppycock!
I'm a very low partial and do both visual design and some programming. What
happened to laying out a Web page as a totally blind person, and then asking
a sighted person to check it visually and then making changes based on their
feedback?

Peter Donahue

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Westbrook" <westbc at clw19.com>
To: "NFB Webmaster's List" <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-web] Visual Design Of Websites


I've said this before when you asked basically the same question, but I'll
say it again.  I back this up now with almost a year's experience
programming a website that is used internally everyday.  Note I said
program.  I do not do any design.  Sure, I understand the concept of how we
do design though we do not use CSS, and I do my best to make things look OK,
but both my coworkers and I know I need help with visual design, so after I
am done programming one of my colleagues will visually make it look
appealing.  This is OK because my colleague can't program nearly as well as
I can, so we each have something to offer.  I know I'm beating a dead horse,
but I think we as blind people need to stop trying to do what we can never
be good at and focus on what we can excel at.  Oh, and hire your own
assistance, and don't wait for your disability office.  You are responsible
for your education, not them.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marvin Hunkin" <marvkin at hotmail.com>
To: <nfb-web at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 12:44 AM
Subject: [Nfb-web] Visual Design Of Websites


Hi.
just wondering, any one able to give advice, help, tips, tricks and
techniques.
now, failed my two visual design subjects in my web site design course.
and have to re-enroll for next semester.
the main problems i had was understanding layers in css, and how to use them
in a website.
like, for example, a banner layer, conetn, navigation, use of colors,
proximity,contrast etc.
and also when i found my images for the site was creating, the images were
too big, and even though i used the width and height property in the html
code, still was too big and dominating the content on the page.
also the color, was the wrong background and fore ground color.
and also, for my other subject page design and layout, any one got any good
examples, or tips of how to do good design and page layout, and use of
colors, on the page, but still got the css, layers problems, and not
understanding of the different page design layouts.
and the same problem with the images, too big, and not able to edit or crop,
using a graphics or photo editor program with jaws, without sighted help,
which i have asked my disability officer, for some assistance.
also, for one of the subjects for next semester, will come up again, with
the developing a commercial website, and how it looks, and functions.
and also, story boards, as not able to use a accessible drawing package,
like Visio, to use with a screen reader.
so had to do it in word, and put tables, but still did not work out correct.
sorry for the long message, but had to explain myself, about design,
positioning, colors, layout, etc.
if any one can help, e-mail me privately.
cheers Marvin.


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