[nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerning AccessibilityofWeb Site
Mike Freeman
k7uij at panix.com
Wed Jan 9 22:53:37 CST 2008
There are plenty of unlabled graphics and there was a problem with some
buttons not being accessible. I believe this last has been solved. But
Amazon came to NFB asking for our help. Do we advocate saying NO?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Jennifer Aberdeen
To: NFB Talk Mailing List
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerning
AccessibilityofWeb Site
To get through clutter, I just use insert + enter and I can get to
where I
want to go on the page much faster. I've been using Amazon since I got
a
credit card and that was ten years ago...never had any problems with
Amazon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kaye zimpher" <kayezimpher at bellsouth.net>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press releaseConcerning
AccessibilityofWeb Site
>I have never had a problem accessing amazon. I use it all the time.
It is a
> little cluttered, but I really would not want developers changing a
> website
> just because we are blind unless it is not accessable. Having
clutter is
> just part of surfing the web. I am sure sighted people see the
clutter as
> well and they have to skip past it. We can't ask for everything to
be
> changed for us.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Constance Canode" <satin-bear at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>
>
>>I used what Amazon calls an accessible page and it was absolutely
>> disgusting. They dummied it down so much, that a lot of the things
>> that I would look for were totally unavailable, for example,
>> different shipping rates. I had no trouble with Amazon at all and
I
>> did a ton of my Christmas shopping on it. It is a little bit
>> cumbersome at times, but with a little patience, easy enough to
navigate.
>>
>> Connie Canode
>> At 05:36 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
>>>The clutter is a very good point. I really need the JAWS hot keys
on
>>>Amazon. It makes me wonder though, has anybody tried Amazon using
the
>>>link they have at the top of the page for screen readers and mobile
>>>devices? If you have, how is it?
>>>
>>>
>>>William
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:55 PM
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>>Well, Amazon is probably more and more sluggish because of all the
>>>clutter.
>>>I can use it, but it's difficult. There's so much to go through to
find
>>>
>>>what you need.
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ray Foret Jr" <rforetjr at bellsouth.net>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:45 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>>
>>>Not so fast.
>>>Over the course of the past few months, I have noticed that the
pages of
>>>the
>>>Amazon site have been opening more and more slowly. the product
pages
>>>are
>>>particularly bad now. Indeed, they are so slow, it's almost
impossible
>>>now
>>>to navigate through them. This pertains to arrowing, first letter
>>>navigation and the use of hot keys also. As I say, I have noticed
this
>>>over
>>>the course
>>>of the past little while; ever since I bought my new deep fat
fryer. I
>>>am a fairly well seasoned JAWS user, having used it since the
advent of
>>>version 4.2 way back in 2002; when I made my very first purchases
at
>>>Amazon
>>>on the date of July 22nd 2002. I was a mere web novice back in
those
>>>days;
>>>and, I can tell you that if Amazon had been as sluggish back then
as it
>>>now
>>>is, I'd have been quite disheartened. To speak candidly, I fail to
see
>>>how
>>>Amazon is improving. That's why I feel it will be interesting to
see
>>>how
>>>the site changes over the course of time between now and June 30th.
if
>>>Amazon doesn't get on with it and get it
>>>done, I suspect we'll be playing rather rough.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>The Constantly Barefooted,
>>>Ray
>>>Home phone and fax:
>>>(985)853-0139
>>>E-mail:
>>>rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
>>>Skype Name:
>>>barefootedray
>>>
>>>God bless President George W. Bush!
>>>God bless our troops!
>>>and God bless America
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" <freespirit328 at gmail.com>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:47 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>>
>>>Me either. Amazon is one the most accessible sites on the web.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Buddy Brannan" <buddy at brannan.name>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>Accessibilityof
>>>Web Site
>>>
>>>
>>> > Umm. Hang on, what exactly was inaccessible about Amazon's page
again?
>>> >
>>> > I've shopped there for at least eight years and have never had a
>>> > problem?
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
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There are plenty of unlabled graphics and there was a problem with some buttons not being accessible. I believe this last has been solved. But Amazon came to NFB asking for our help. Do we advocate saying NO?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From:
mailto:freespirit328 at gmail.com Jennifer Aberdeen
To:
mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org NFB Talk Mailing List
Sent:
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 2:16 PM
Subject:
Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon pressreleaseConcerning AccessibilityofWeb Site
To get through clutter, I just use insert + enter and I can get to where I
want to go on the page much faster. I've been using Amazon since I got a
credit card and that was ten years ago...never had any problems with Amazon.
----- Original Message -----
From: "kaye zimpher" < mailto:kayezimpher at bellsouth.net kayezimpher at bellsouth.net
>
To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press releaseConcerning
AccessibilityofWeb Site
>I have never had a problem accessing amazon. I use it all the time. It is a
> little cluttered, but I really would not want developers changing a
> website
> just because we are blind unless it is not accessable. Having clutter is
> just part of surfing the web. I am sure sighted people see the clutter as
> well and they have to skip past it. We can't ask for everything to be
> changed for us.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Constance Canode" < mailto:satin-bear at sbcglobal.net satin-bear at sbcglobal.net
>
> To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 12:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
> AccessibilityofWeb Site
>
>
>>I used what Amazon calls an accessible page and it was absolutely
>> disgusting. They dummied it down so much, that a lot of the things
>> that I would look for were totally unavailable, for example,
>> different shipping rates. I had no trouble with Amazon at all and I
>> did a ton of my Christmas shopping on it. It is a little bit
>> cumbersome at times, but with a little patience, easy enough to navigate.
>>
>> Connie Canode
>> At 05:36 PM 1/4/2008, you wrote:
>>>The clutter is a very good point. I really need the JAWS hot keys on
>>>Amazon. It makes me wonder though, has anybody tried Amazon using the
>>>link they have at the top of the page for screen readers and mobile
>>>devices? If you have, how is it?
>>>
>>>
>>>William
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>On Behalf Of Cindy Handel
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:55 PM
>>>To: NFB Talk Mailing List
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>>Well, Amazon is probably more and more sluggish because of all the
>>>clutter.
>>>I can use it, but it's difficult. There's so much to go through to find
>>>
>>>what you need.
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Ray Foret Jr" < mailto:rforetjr at bellsouth.net rforetjr at bellsouth.net
>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:45 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>>
>>>Not so fast.
>>>Over the course of the past few months, I have noticed that the pages of
>>>the
>>>Amazon site have been opening more and more slowly. the product pages
>>>are
>>>particularly bad now. Indeed, they are so slow, it's almost impossible
>>>now
>>>to navigate through them. This pertains to arrowing, first letter
>>>navigation and the use of hot keys also. As I say, I have noticed this
>>>over
>>>the course
>>>of the past little while; ever since I bought my new deep fat fryer. I
>>>am a fairly well seasoned JAWS user, having used it since the advent of
>>>version 4.2 way back in 2002; when I made my very first purchases at
>>>Amazon
>>>on the date of July 22nd 2002. I was a mere web novice back in those
>>>days;
>>>and, I can tell you that if Amazon had been as sluggish back then as it
>>>now
>>>is, I'd have been quite disheartened. To speak candidly, I fail to see
>>>how
>>>Amazon is improving. That's why I feel it will be interesting to see
>>>how
>>>the site changes over the course of time between now and June 30th. if
>>>Amazon doesn't get on with it and get it
>>>done, I suspect we'll be playing rather rough.
>>>
>>> Sincerely yours,
>>>The Constantly Barefooted,
>>>Ray
>>>Home phone and fax:
>>>(985)853-0139
>>>E-mail:
>>>rforetjratbellsouthdotnet
>>>Skype Name:
>>>barefootedray
>>>
>>>God bless President George W. Bush!
>>>God bless our troops!
>>>and God bless America
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jennifer Aberdeen" < mailto:freespirit328 at gmail.com freespirit328 at gmail.com
>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:47 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>AccessibilityofWeb Site
>>>
>>>
>>>Me either. Amazon is one the most accessible sites on the web.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Buddy Brannan" < mailto:buddy at brannan.name buddy at brannan.name
>
>>>To: "NFB Talk Mailing List" < mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>
>>>Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 2:27 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] Fwd: Amazon press release Concerning
>>>Accessibilityof
>>>Web Site
>>>
>>>
>>> > Umm. Hang on, what exactly was inaccessible about Amazon's page again?
>>> >
>>> > I've shopped there for at least eight years and have never had a
>>> > problem?
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > nfb-talk mailing list
>>> > mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
>>> > http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-talk
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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