[nfb-talk] [Blindtlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home Edition, here we go again

Sat Feb 23 12:56:50 CST 2008

Hi Alan and list,

I was trying to appeal to reason here!  I'm wearing out the delete key! 
Until we get the producers of that program on this list, I think we are 
spinning our wheels!  We are either preaching to the choir or trying to 
influence some or all members of the choir!  I don't see where anything is 
being accomplished with this thread but then I'm not the moderator and 
that's that!  I'm just tired of seeing it!

Now if we were to get into issues concerning the organizational structure of 
the NFB, how it relates to vendors, and are we or are we not achieving what 
we set out to achieve, I say this would be a discussion I'd be a part of! 
Till then, as I see it, we are just spinning our wheels on this thread!

Jim Aldrich

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Wheeler" <awheeler at neb.rr.com>
To: "'NFB Talk Mailing List'" <nfb-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [Blindtlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home 
Edition,here we go again

Jim,
The problem is, opinions are like noses...everyone has one...fill in the
rest...

Alan D Wheeler
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-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of james aldrich
Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 9:37 AM
To: nfb-talk at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [Blindtlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home
Edition,here we go again

People!

Don't you think this thread has gone on much too long?  It is better than a
week now and what has been solved other than venting?  I think enough is
enough!

Jim Aldrich

----- source message -----
from: "T. Joseph Carter" <tjosephcarter at gmail.com>
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date: 2008/02/23 03:06:53
subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [Bltlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home Edition,
here we go again

>
>
> Corey,
>
> Do you let random people grab you and drag you across streets you
> maybe didn't want to cross because they're doing something nice?  Do
> people physically handle you like a piece of furniture or lead you
> around like a puppy without your protest because they're doing something
nice?
>
> I don't care in the least what a person's intent is.  I am not some
> poor blind person in need of help, "rescue", pity, or assistance I didn't
seek.
> You don't have to speak slowly or excessively loud, you don't have got
> use simple words, and you had certainly better not expect that you'll
> talk to my sighted companions in my place.  I do not live so that
> well-meaning sighted people can get their warm fuzzies by trying to
> commit charity upon me, and I am deeply offended when I see others
> treated in the same way I myself would not tolerate.
>
> In this case, apparently, Extreme Make-Over did not do a bad job, as
> they have in the past.  (I missed the episode, so I cannot say with
> certainty.) But after several cases where the show has demonstrated
> most or all of the above intolerable behaviors and certainly the
> underlying attitudes, I think we deserve the benefit of the doubt when
> we expect no better this time around.  We can now be surprised and
> pleased with the outcome in this one case.  I don't have high hopes
> for future shows on disabilities, of course because they've
> established a pattern to which this episode seems an anomaly.
>
> The primary issue discussed in this thread is HumanWare's press
> release and the wording they chose to use.  It's frankly insulting, to all
of us.
>
> Joseph
>
> On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 03:55:49PM com0500, Corey Cook wrote:
> > I don't personally get the big deal anyway.
> > They did something nice for the man and his family.
> > Who are we to sit and judge this?
> >  x^^240
> > Corey Cook
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> > mailto:powerst at dcpcepn.nci.nih.gov Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]
> > To:
> > mailto:nfb-talk at nfbnet.org NFB Talk Mailing List
> > Sent:
> > Thursday, February 21, 2008 7:12 AM
> > Subject:
> > Re: [nfb-talk] [Bltlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home
> > Editioneahere we go again I sure must be missing something here.
> > x^^240 Why are you bashing HW anyway. x^^240 They just anounced that
the show was going to be aired and I think they said they were going to be
represented. x^^240 I saw the whole show and there was no mention of HW.
X^^240 The only thing I can come up with is maybe the controls for the new
wheel chair were actually a GPS. X^^240 I think his lack of being able to
walk was emfasized a lot more than his blindness. x^^240 That is in our
faver. x^^240 I found one extreamly stupid thing they did for him, that was
to put that ability for music to go off, when he went into a spacific room.
x^^240 Also, HW might have had something to do with creating the door that
would open when the gentleman would say, open. x^^240 I liked his aditude
about looking at what he could do not what he could not d. x^^240 He seamed
to always be on the positive side which is a pluss for him and the NF-B.
X^^240 Many blind with out jobs or the ability to read, are depressed and
dependent on SSI. I think their main goal was to make the home accessable,
because of his wheelchair needs. x^^240 They also over did it in the music
area by buying him all that recording equipment. x^^240 What did that have
to do with his handicap. x^^240 I still saw no sign of HW. X^^240 If they
were not in the show, how did they know about the show" x^^240 They had to
be in the background someware.
> > Terry Powers
> >  x^^240
> > ----comOriginal Message-----
> > From: T. Joseph Carter [mailto:tjosephcarter at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 2:36 PM
> > To: NFB Talk Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [nfb-talk] [Bltlk] HumanWare, Extreme Makeover Home
> > Editioneahere we go again I don't think a boycott would be effective in
the least. x^^240 I do think a more low-key approach generally involving
talking to someone in a position to see to it that this doesn't happen again
would probably get far better results far quicker.
> > Joseph
> > On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 07:43:01PM com0800, Mike Freeman wrote:
> > > One question which hasn't been dealt with here is whether we'd be
effective if we protested to Humanware or attempted a boycott.
> > >
> > > Do you ininreally* think that blind persons would stop buying VR
Streams over philosophical concerns? Fanatics would but I fear me greatly
that it would end up a huge bust and would cause us more problems than we
would solve.
> > >
> > > Mike
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